Dr. King, Argument from Authority

[vorlon13]

I'll sell my left nut to watch one of our forum members tell King that the bible condones slavery.

If we had an FLDS member here, on the other hand . . .

[Esquilax]

And our point is that the charity you seem dead set on only focusing on is not a religious act, but a human one, and one that would be happening, christianity or no.

Prove it! Your claim goes against King's own words on the matter. You must think he was lying.

Oh, King made the claim that all charity was exclusively christian? Hmm, I didn't know that.

As to proving the reverse, it's trivial: charity occurs among all religions, and those with no religion. Therefore, christianity is not a necessary condition for charity.

That was easy.

[dyresand]

Prove it! Your claim goes against King's own words on the matter. You must think he was lying.

Oh, King made the claim that all charity was exclusively christian? Hmm, I didn't know that.

As to proving the reverse, it's trivial: charity occurs among all religions, and those with no religion. Therefore, christianity is not a necessary condition for charity.

That was easy.

Religion specifically Christianity thinks they have the monopoly when it comes to charity yeah... and help the poor and give them a bible and tell them about god and how they are loved i mean whats geebuss going to do they need real help.

[Ryantology]

My point was you must take the good with the bad. When some atheists rant about the evils tangentially related to Christianity, somehow forget to mention any of the goods specifically mandated by my religion like care for poor, widows, orphans, and the sick.

Maybe we would mention these goods if you guys took some time out of your busy schedule of self-righteousness and actually acted according to those mandates. Certainly, in the United States, Christianity fights hard against those mandates. They call it "mooching" and "entitlements", and demonize those in need. They fight for the 'life of the unborn' but think it's evil socialism to help make sure they're fed and sheltered once they're no longer unborn. They fight for the rich. They fight tooth and nail to make sure that the sick have access to healthcare only if they can afford it.


Considering the mindset and behavior of Christianity throughout most of its existence, Dr. King was either a Christian who is most famous for his very un-Christian works, or a Christian very much unlike most: he actually cared about the good parts. And here you are, trying to take credit for a man's accomplishments in the name of your religion, which is all by itself really fucked up and very ignorant of history, not so much because he's an example of Christianity's good, but as you just implied, because you think this one example excuses 2,000 years of overwhelmingly bad.

[robvalue]

Still waiting for that one moral teaching that Christianity offers that a well balanced atheist wouldn't find obvious.

[dyresand]

Still waiting for that one moral teaching that Christianity offers that a well balanced atheist wouldn't find obvious.

Christianity is immoral if you go by its teachings.

[Esquilax]

Still waiting for that one moral teaching that Christianity offers that a well balanced atheist wouldn't find obvious.

That's the really weird part, isn't it? Christians claim to need to be taught the things that atheists are perfectly capable of reasoning out themselves without being told, yet they simultaneously claim that morality issues from their religion.

It's almost like christianity is stealing credit for human things, and duping a large number of people into going along with that...

[dyresand]

Still waiting for that one moral teaching that Christianity offers that a well balanced atheist wouldn't find obvious.

That's the really weird part, isn't it? Christians claim to need to be taught the things that atheists are perfectly capable of reasoning out themselves without being told, yet they simultaneously claim that morality issues from their religion.

It's almost like christianity is stealing credit for human things, and duping a large number of people into going along with that...

Once you think about it theists tend to not have or have piss poor reasoning and logic skills. I mean why do you need to be taught about morals from a book when you can clearly understand around you what is right and wrong.

[Faith No More]

Still waiting for that one moral teaching that Christianity offers that a well balanced atheist wouldn't find obvious.

Or how about one that hadn't appeared centuries earlier in Eastern philosophy.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Christians claim to need to be taught the things that atheists are perfectly capable of reasoning out themselves without being told, yet they simultaneously claim that morality issues from their religion.

That's a blatant mis-characterization if ever there was one. The only reason you can "reason it out" is because you already have a God given conscience. Religion makes this fact explicit.