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Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
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Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
Quote:Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

How much good fruit would one logically expect from a christian?

If a christian is filled with the spirit of god, guided by the spirit of god and converses daily with god, AND given the claim that god is infinitively good, then a percentage of this "goodness" would be expected to rub off on a christian. Even if the amount that rubs off were to be as little as 1/100,000 of one percent, because god is infinitely good, the christian would flood the world with goodness. Now given the natural human limitations, we still would expect the christians to be spectacularly good given their "1st hand Knowledge" of the greatness and goodness of god.
We should see spectacularly large piles of good "fruit" around the christians we see everyday.

But we don't. In fact we don't see anything statistically significant at all let alone stellar differences.

If we call out any of the "TRUE CHRISTIANS TM" on this board, they can give us nothing spectacular to show how their true fruits are anything but marginally better than the average Joe.

So by Christs own measure, there are no true christians.

(By the way, how does one test if a tree has been bad?)
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
The fact that Christians are no better or worse than anyone else is proof there is no holy spirit. Christians will often respond that they are only human and didn't become perfect when they were saved. Yet if their believes are true, Christians in general should be kinder and better than non believers. They are not
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
Fruity, xtians?

They are going to hate that.
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Are nuts fruits? if yes then all the true christians are nutty to the core, or maybe all the nutty ones are religious, not sure! Thinking
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
Since it's not polite to show one's nuts in mixed company, I'm going to assume that those are the "bad tree" fruits.
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
Fruit can be very dangerous anyway:

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Soo... the 5 fruits a day movement is Christian propaganda?

Well, the more you know.
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
(January 20, 2015 at 1:30 am)Brakeman Wrote:
Quote:Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

How much good fruit would one logically expect from a christian?

If a christian is filled with the spirit of god, guided by the spirit of god and converses daily with god, AND given the claim that god is infinitively good, then a percentage of this "goodness" would be expected to rub off on a christian. Even if the amount that rubs off were to be as little as 1/100,000 of one percent, because god is infinitely good, the christian would flood the world with goodness. Now given the natural human limitations, we still would expect the christians to be spectacularly good given their "1st hand Knowledge" of the greatness and goodness of god.
We should see spectacularly large piles of good "fruit" around the christians we see everyday.

But we don't. In fact we don't see anything statistically significant at all let alone stellar differences.

If we call out any of the "TRUE CHRISTIANS TM" on this board, they can give us nothing spectacular to show how their true fruits are anything but marginally better than the average Joe.

So by Christs own measure, there are no true christians.

(By the way, how does one test if a tree has been bad?)

In trying to determine Spiritual fruit one must first define it.

I know you and several other's have tried to make a go of it based off your 'morality.' The problem is your 'morality' is not the measure the bible uses.

For that we need to look at Gal 5:22 But the fruit that the Spirit produces in a person’s life is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these kinds of things.

These are the Spiritual Fruit as defined by Scripture.
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
(January 20, 2015 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote: In trying to determine Spiritual fruit one must first define it.

Pretty sure it's a pineapple, because a good pineapple is just divine
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RE: Know a christian by his fruit. How much fruit?
(January 20, 2015 at 10:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(January 20, 2015 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote: In trying to determine Spiritual fruit one must first define it.

Pretty sure it's a pineapple, because a good pineapple is just divine

I vote for the mango. The coconut is a sign of Satan
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