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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 5:21 am
It seems that the girl was a goner from the beginning because her condition had already advanced too far before she was diagnosed.
I've seen a lot of people die and there are no gold stars for enduring extra suffering when a person has a terminal condition. Her previous weeks of treatment were nothing but unnecessary torture and more treatments wouldn't have saved her. It's too bad she didn't experience a quick death.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 5:29 am
Really? OK, I must have missed that. If that is the case, then I agree even starting chemo was pointless.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 10:13 am
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(January 26, 2015 at 5:21 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It seems that the girl was a goner from the beginning because her condition had already advanced too far before she was diagnosed.
I've seen a lot of people die and there are no gold stars for enduring extra suffering when a person has a terminal condition. Her previous weeks of treatment were nothing but unnecessary torture and more treatments wouldn't have saved her. It's too bad she didn't experience a quick death.
Could you provide a quote or link for this statement? That is not what I read in the article linked to on this thread.
This is from the OP
Quote:Makayla was given a 75 per cent chance of survival when she was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) in March.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 12:04 pm
(January 26, 2015 at 5:21 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It seems that the girl was a goner from the beginning because her condition had already advanced too far before she was diagnosed.
I've seen a lot of people die and there are no gold stars for enduring extra suffering when a person has a terminal condition. Her previous weeks of treatment were nothing but unnecessary torture and more treatments wouldn't have saved her. It's too bad she didn't experience a quick death.
Where are you getting that? I've been reading about this case wherever it shows up since the parents first took her off chemo several months ago, and I've never once seen any intimation that her prognosis would have made the treatment pointless.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 12:55 pm
If that was true it would render the whole point of the article moot.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 2:10 pm
(January 26, 2015 at 10:13 am)Nope Wrote: (January 26, 2015 at 5:21 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It seems that the girl was a goner from the beginning because her condition had already advanced too far before she was diagnosed.
I've seen a lot of people die and there are no gold stars for enduring extra suffering when a person has a terminal condition. Her previous weeks of treatment were nothing but unnecessary torture and more treatments wouldn't have saved her. It's too bad she didn't experience a quick death.
Could you provide a quote or link for this statement? That is not what I read in the article linked to on this thread.
This is from the OP
Quote:Makayla was given a 75 per cent chance of survival when she was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) in March.
Here you go:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/makayl...-1.2829885
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 2:31 pm
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http://abc30.com/health/11-year-old-girl...py/487908/
Makayla talks about her vision and says that Jesus told her she was healed.
Of course, the chemo made her sick and miserable but alternative medicine killed her.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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So Jesus turns up, and instead of just healing her, tells her to take some crappy fake treatment instead, which lead to her dying. When she wanted to live.
If you still want to really believe jesus was involved, you have to accept that he's an utter failure at everything. Everything about this story stinks. The fact that theists are trying to defend the parents' actions is beyond me.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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(January 26, 2015 at 1:29 am)Esquilax Wrote: So how do you make that decision? Aside from post-hoc rationalizations for convenience, how would you make that decision in the moment? Toss aside the easy hindsight with which you've been excusing every bad behavior that has been linked in this thread, and actually give a cogent argument now. It's pretty easy to be you in this discussion, when nobody else knows more than the vaguest details about what your position here actually is.
My position is that because she had a lethal condition, that the parents, who are closest to the girl and her situation and needs, make an appropriate decision for treatment. This was not murder or suicide, but death from a natural cause. Now would you answer my question to you? Why is okay for an adult to avoid excruciating procedures and let a disease run its course but not to allow a child that option? Why is it okay not to put your dog through painful chemo therapy that could save his life, but it's not okay to do that for your child?
(January 26, 2015 at 2:35 pm)robvalue Wrote: So Jesus turns up, and instead of just healing her, tells her to take some crappy fake treatment instead, which lead to her dying. When she wanted to live.
If you still want to really believe jesus was involved, you have to accept that he's an utter failure at everything. Everything about this story stinks. The fact that theists are trying to defend the parents' actions is beyond me.
Why is God a failure here? Obviously he wanted her to be finished with the suffering and come home.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 26, 2015 at 3:17 pm
(January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Lek Wrote: My position is that because she had a lethal condition,
25% chance of being lethal
(January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Lek Wrote: that the parents, who are closest to the girl and her situation and needs,
Closest emotionally, yes. Closest to her situation and needs, no, that title goes to her doctor.
(January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Lek Wrote: make an appropriate decision for treatment.
It was incredibly innapropriate
(January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Lek Wrote: This was not murder or suicide, but death from a natural cause.
No, it was neglect, it was child abuse.
(January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Lek Wrote: Now would you answer my question to you? Why is okay for an adult to avoid excruciating procedures and let a disease run its course but not to allow a child that option?
Firstly a child cannot make those kinds of decisions, full stop. An adult can. Secondly, the disease in question to 'run it's course' had a 75% chance of not killing the girl with chemotherapy.
(January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Lek Wrote: Why is it okay not to put your dog through painful chemo therapy that could save his life, but it's not okay to do that for your child?
Who said it's not okay to put your dog through chemotherapy? And besides, there are several factors involved, how treatable the cancer is, how old the dog is, how many years it realistically has left and the quality of life. And in certain situations it would be okay to let your child die, For example, if the cancer is treatable or not . In this situation the cancer was very treatable, I don't understand how anyone can defend these parents and their decision.
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