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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 12:25 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 11:48 am)IATIA Wrote: What do you think justice is? What is your definition? Justice is essentially fair punishment, hence an eye for an eye.
(January 27, 2015 at 11:48 am)IATIA Wrote: A maniac kills a child. He is a married breadwinner. He is caught beyond a shadow of a doubt. His family are good people.
Throw the maniac in jail and the family suffers.
Execute the man, the family suffers. Justice is impartial to all that, it just seeks to bring the scales back into balance, which is why it's depicted as blindfolded and holding scales. Those are consequences the man should of thought about before he decided to murder some one.
(January 27, 2015 at 11:48 am)IATIA Wrote: As the child is already dead, the only way to avoid adding to the suffering is to leave the maniac alone.
Where is the justice? Surely you can't be suggesting that murderers go unpunished....
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm
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(January 27, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Justice is essentially fair punishment, hence an eye for an eye. Where is the fairness for the maniacs family?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 1:38 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: (January 27, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Justice is essentially fair punishment, hence an eye for an eye. Where is the fairness for the maniacs family? [/quote]
Justice because it solves one problem and creates another.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 2:40 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Surely you can't be suggesting that murderers go unpunished.... And where did I "suggest" that or even insinuate?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 2:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: And where did I "suggest" that or even insinuate?
(January 27, 2015 at 2:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: As the child is already dead, the only way to avoid adding to the suffering is to leave the maniac alone It sounds like that's what you're implying.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 5:31 pm
the answer is no...so both are fine
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 27, 2015 at 7:19 pm
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(January 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (January 27, 2015 at 2:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: As the child is already dead, the only way to avoid adding to the suffering is to leave the maniac alone It sounds like that's what you're implying. Damn you are dense. It was an A B C choice to demonstrate the fallacy of justice. Read some Plato sometime. Hell, read anything but that damn babble-book.
Sheeesh!
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 28, 2015 at 4:59 am
(January 27, 2015 at 5:31 pm)emmasheba Wrote: the answer is no...so both are fine
I take it you're replying to my initial question, and you're saying christianity offers no good morality except the obvious?
If so, cool 
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 28, 2015 at 11:41 am
(January 27, 2015 at 7:19 pm)IATIA Wrote: (January 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It sounds like that's what you're implying. Damn you are dense. It was an A B C choice to demonstrate the fallacy of justice. Read some Plato sometime. Hell, read anything but that damn babble-book.
Sheeesh!
I'm dense? You just stated that the concept of justice is a "fallacy", Although you're using that word in the wrong context, what else am I to conclude other than you don't agree with the concept of justice?
If this same Guy decides to jump off a cliff and dies, his family is put in the exact same position, does that make death a fallacy? No, death is the consequence of him choosing to jump off a cliff.
likewise if he decides to commit murder, having justice served is the consequence of breaking the law.
If you don't want to go to prison, don't commit murder, don't need to read Plato to figure that out.
How do you suggest we deal with murderers?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 28, 2015 at 6:54 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 11:41 am)Huggy74 Wrote: How do you suggest we deal with murderers?
Send them to jail execute them punish them. The issue here is that there is no true justice when it comes to god because you can be a murder and pedophile and anything that is so morally corrupt and you can get away with it by putting it on good ol' boy jesus.
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