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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:24 am
(February 2, 2015 at 3:11 am)Grasshopper Wrote: What atheists will say then- Jesus was evil he killed and ate animals! Why would atheists say that?
If killing and eating animals was evil, wouldn't god have made every animal a vegetarian?
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:24 am
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Yeah, I think that's vaguely the point, but I don't think it's meant to be taken too seriously. Well, if it was, they kind of failed. (M&W)
Yes jesus was an evil fuck bag. Boy oh boy the stories I could tell you.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:29 am
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I think Jesus was evil and ate animals. The eating of animals is not what makes him evil though.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:37 am
(February 2, 2015 at 9:22 am)Alex K Wrote: (February 2, 2015 at 9:21 am)Chas Wrote: It seems partly to point out that neither side has a slam-dunk argument, and that the moral high ground is a bit relative, and applied asymmetrically.
Not very convincing, though. It's so superficial that it would only work as a satire on these arguments for me (like equating animals and vegetables)
Well, it is only humor. 
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:42 am
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(February 2, 2015 at 9:37 am)Chas Wrote: Well, it is only humor.
As far as I am concerned, humor is a very serious business. Presenting absurd situations for their own sake is fine, but as soon as it has the appearance of addressing a serious issue (becomes political), I'm very critical of how it is done.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:58 am
(February 2, 2015 at 3:42 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I'd prefer to see an awesome story about rainbows and unicorns instead... Your will, sire...
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 9:59 am
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Good fucking christ the colors.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 10:02 am
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FTFY
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 10:50 am
I'm an omnivore. Don't fall asleep around me.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm
(February 2, 2015 at 3:11 am)Grasshopper Wrote: Slavery- took the horrid form of roman/European slavery.
Eating animals - Took the horrid form of factory farms.
Nothing took a horrid form it didn't already have. What, besides being ignorant of history, gives you the impression that slaves were better off before the Romans or Europeans? The bible itself tells a different tale in saying you can beat your slave within an inch of his or her life and if they didn't die within a couple of days, you were off the hook.
One could even argue that slaves in Roman times were better off, since there were actual laws protecting them to a certain degree and they could buy their freedom. Some did and became prominent figures in the empire. Now that's certainly not an argument for slavery, but an argument against your rose tinted glasses.
Same goes for animals. We've come a long way since the times of the bible and the treatment of animals. Today, at least in most civilized countries, there are laws and regulations in place, the Jews, the Romans or the Greeks didn't even consider. Again, that's not an argument to justify the outrage that's still happening in some places, but against glorifying a past that wasn't glorious at all.
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