Answers in Genesis? I want an answer for this!

[Chas]

Actually we might end up having a whole sect of people trying to religiously offer up their daughters for rape.

You can never be too careful about what you say to theists.

Already exists.

FLDS - Mormons.

[Brakeman]

Dear Mental Outlaw
if you are a secular gentile you are under natural laws.
leave the scriptural laws to those believers who are called to answer to them.
If you are not one this is not your jurisdiction.

"Don't question it" is a stupid dodge of the ignorant. Everyone has to be familiar with something before they are able to "believe" or agree with it.

You weren't born a believer. You had to be sold the crazy story by your family or neighbors, there is no silly "Jurisdiction." I doubt you even know what the word means.

[abaris]

Genesis 19:31-34New International Version (NIV)

31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.”

Okay Christians, explain away.

Well, seeing that their father already had pimped them out to be gang raped, there's nothing much to lose anyway. It's one of the most disgusting stories of the OT. But not the only one.

[The Valkyrie]

Genesis 19:31-34New International Version (NIV)

31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.”

Okay Christians, explain away.

If the story of Lot was made into a board game it would be titled, "Incest: The game for the whole family"

[emilynghiem]

Dear Mental Outlaw
if you are a secular gentile you are under natural laws.
leave the scriptural laws to those believers who are called to answer to them.
If you are not one this is not your jurisdiction.

"Don't question it" is a stupid dodge of the ignorant. Everyone has to be familiar with something before they are able to "believe" or agree with it.

You weren't born a believer. You had to be sold the crazy story by your family or neighbors, there is no silly "Jurisdiction." I doubt you even know what the word means.

??? I don't have to read all the Quran to know that isn't for me.

here is my explanation of the Bible where it isn't necessary to read the whole thing to get the message and decide if you are secular and prefer natural laws:

To explain the story of humanity summarized in the Bible, it helps to distinguish the difference between the Old and New Testaments, which determines if the rest will make sense at all, or even needs to be read.

In short, the Old Testament records the tragic history of living by the "letter of the law" and retributive justice, causing death and genocidal destruction by greed, while the New Testament paints a positive future for humanity, with renewed love of life and relationships by restorative justice, living by the "spirit of the law" for lasting peace.

The key difference between these paths is divine forgiveness, which breaks the cycle of retribution inherited from previous generations. Without forgiveness, suffering repeats, projected forward. However, by receiving forgiveness and correction, where Jesus represents the spiritual process of embracing equal justice, humanity finds liberation from past strife by establishing universal truth, justice, and peace on earth. Thus, human nature is destined to reach maturity in mind, body, and spirit, collectively symbolized by the Holy Trinity.

Salvation in Jesus represents restorative justice with mercy, bringing healing grace to end conflicts. Reconciling local laws among individuals with universal laws on a global scale fulfills both in perfect harmony or marriage between people, as the bride or church, united with the authority of law or state.

The story of sacrifice and redemption represents the spiritual process each individual experiences to grow in life -- through trials, failures, and recovery -- which drives humanity to reach spiritual understanding, wholeness, and peace.

[Minimalist]

In short, the Old Testament records the tragic history of living by the "letter of the law"

The OT is the excuse made up by a bunch of primitive goat herders towards the end of the first millennium BC to explain why they were living in an arid shithole and always getting the shit kicked out of them in spite of the "fact" that they were god's chosen people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiology

An etiological myth is a myth intended to explain a name or create a mythic history for a place or family.

There's nothing "holy" about it. Except the holes in the plot.

[Chad32]

Just about everyone who died in the old testament were people who didn't believe, or people who weren't following the letter of the law. You were constantly walking on thin ice, and if you stepped out of line you were dead meat. Like that guy who was stoned to death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week. Hell, the whole story gets kicked off when Eve does something he doesn't want her to do, so he curses the world with thorns and painful childbirth, and such. Living by the letter of the law was the only way to avoid Yahweh's wrath.

In some parts of the new testament, Jesus is so different from Yahweh that they seem like completely unrelated people. Jesus was a humble pacifist ion some verses, who talked about loving your enemies. Quite different from Yahweh in the old testament. If there was such a change, it must be because yahweh figured he screwed up, yet we get no apologies for it.

[robvalue]

Now you can just call God a floppy cock and he's cool with it. No fire up the ass anymore. He used to get real worked up about that stuff. Well, his followers did anyway.

[Chad32]

One wonders why his followers would get so up in arms if they really believed Yahweh will judge all when they die. They feel they must be proactive in silencing you.

[Nope]

here is my explanation of the Bible where it isn't necessary to read the whole thing to get the message and decide if you are secular and prefer natural laws:

What do you mean by natural laws?

How can you belong to a religion that you believe is true and not read its holy text? If I honestly believed a deity had assisted somehow in the writing of a holy book, I would read the entire book multiple times. Many atheists have read the bible from cover to cover so why wouldn't a Christian read their own damn holy book?

In short, the Old Testament records the tragic history of living by the "letter of the law" and retributive justice, causing death and genocidal destruction by greed, while the New Testament paints a positive future for humanity, with renewed love of life and relationships by restorative justice, living by the "spirit of the law" for lasting peace.

Jewish people might not agree with you. Actually, I could see why they would be highly insulted. You are basically saying that your screwed up god played a game with their forefather's lives and souls just to prove that your savior was needed. Doesn't that bother you? The bible states that your god does not change so the same god that ordered entire communities killed is also the one that you worship today.

The key difference between these paths is divine forgiveness, which breaks the cycle of retribution inherited from previous generations. Without forgiveness, suffering repeats, projected forward.

The Old Testament contradicts itself on sin passing through the generations.

Deuteronomy 24

16"Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.

and

Ezekiel 18

20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

However....

Exodus 20

5"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me

However, by receiving forgiveness and correction, where Jesus represents the spiritual process of embracing equal justice, humanity finds liberation from past strife by establishing universal truth, justice, and peace on earth. Thus, human nature is destined to reach maturity in mind, body, and spirit, collectively symbolized by the Holy Trinity.

We don't have universal truth, justice or peace today. I am not certain what you are trying to say here.

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Dear Mental Outlaw
if you are a secular gentile you are under natural laws.
leave the scriptural laws to those believers who are called to answer to them.
If you are not one this is not your jurisdiction.

"Don't question it" is a stupid dodge of the ignorant. Everyone has to be familiar with something before they are able to "believe" or agree with it.

You weren't born a believer. You had to be sold the crazy story by your family or neighbors, there is no silly "Jurisdiction." I doubt you even know what the word means.

I still wish emily would answer what she meant by secular gentiles having no jurisdiction.