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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
(February 13, 2015 at 10:07 am)Aisha Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 7:21 am)Aractus Wrote: Would any Christians like to explain to me why the film is inappropriate for the modern audience?
This film is anything but inappropriate, but people watching it might start to question the story of Jesus. And we all know, once someone starts to question it, it is very likely they will come to think of it as the bullshit it is.
So, it is better to just stamp it as inappropriate and try to make sure as little people as possible get to see it. For some religious people this is enough as they prefer to blindly follow their religious leaders advice. I can imagine if a priest in a church would say this film is inappropriate, most of the people in his congregation will avoid it.
The thing is, by condemning it, they gave it more publicity, which got more people to see it. Really, if they had been smart about this, they would have just ignored it. But instead they helped get more people to see the film.
The condemnation approach works when one has the authority to actually ban it and stop it from being shown. But otherwise, it is counterproductive for their interests.
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 10:50 am
(February 13, 2015 at 10:44 am)Pyrrho Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 10:07 am)Aisha Wrote: This film is anything but inappropriate, but people watching it might start to question the story of Jesus. And we all know, once someone starts to question it, it is very likely they will come to think of it as the bullshit it is.
So, it is better to just stamp it as inappropriate and try to make sure as little people as possible get to see it. For some religious people this is enough as they prefer to blindly follow their religious leaders advice. I can imagine if a priest in a church would say this film is inappropriate, most of the people in his congregation will avoid it.
The thing is, by condemning it, they gave it more publicity, which got more people to see it. Really, if they had been smart about this, they would have just ignored it. But instead they helped get more people to see the film.
The condemnation approach works when one has the authority to actually ban it and stop it from being shown. But otherwise, it is counterproductive for their interests.
And its a good thing thing too they wen't and gone down the irrational road of trying to "fix" things.
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 10:57 am
(February 13, 2015 at 8:48 am)Drich Wrote: Why should someone see it?
Because it is a lame 1970's British comedy fill with mash banger jokes and their version of slap stick.
Like you've ever seen it.
(February 13, 2015 at 8:48 am)Drich Wrote: The big irony is all of that is the core message of the movie simply trades what it defines as one sheeplessly mindless unknowable world view, for another one.
And yet again the point flies straight over your head.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 11:06 am
(February 13, 2015 at 10:44 am)Pyrrho Wrote: The thing is, by condemning it, they gave it more publicity, which got more people to see it. Really, if they had been smart about this, they would have just ignored it. But instead they helped get more people to see the film.
The condemnation approach works when one has the authority to actually ban it and stop it from being shown. But otherwise, it is counterproductive for their interests.
"Life Of Brian" is really, really "friendly" towards religion. It doesn't condemn religion - only the corruption around it. Anyone can laugh at false prophets, extremists, swindlers and gullible people - it shouldn't take anything away from The Everlasting Glory Of The Church... Unless they secretly see themselves as false prophets, extremists, swindlers and gullible people.
Church could have used this movie - and movies like it - to appeal to young people instead of alienating them. Why do religions always have to be behind the times, like - at least a century? 500-1000 years for Islam.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 11:07 am
I just posted the full movie over in the atheist sub forum.
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 11:24 am
(February 13, 2015 at 11:06 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 10:44 am)Pyrrho Wrote: The thing is, by condemning it, they gave it more publicity, which got more people to see it. Really, if they had been smart about this, they would have just ignored it. But instead they helped get more people to see the film.
The condemnation approach works when one has the authority to actually ban it and stop it from being shown. But otherwise, it is counterproductive for their interests.
"Life Of Brian" is really, really "friendly" towards religion. It doesn't condemn religion - only the corruption around it. Anyone can laugh at false prophets, extremists, swindlers and gullible people - it shouldn't take anything away from The Everlasting Glory Of The Church... Unless they secretly see themselves as false prophets, extremists, swindlers and gullible people.
Church could have used this movie - and movies like it - to appeal to young people instead of alienating them. Why do religions always have to be behind the times, like - at least a century? 500-1000 years for Islam.
If there were actual evidence in favor of Christianity, your idea would work. But the thing is, there isn't (hence all the drivel about having faith being good, or in other words, they are saying that prejudging things before getting the facts is a virtue, or in other words, they are claiming that prejudice is a virtue).
If people start to question things, then, if they are any good at it, they will see that there isn't any good reason to believe in Christianity at all, and so any questioning is problematic for the church. So I don't think the film helps them, even though, taking the film literally, it endorses the idea that Jesus was real and even shows him briefly and respectfully.
To put this another way, if religionists had actual evidence for their position, then they would not advocate faith. But since they don't have actual evidence for their position, this puts them, evidentially speaking, on the same footing as false prophets and swindlers. So what would expose false prophets and swindlers would undermine their position as well. (Of course, the reason is, they are themselves advocates of false prophecy, but they naturally suppose otherwise, other than the ones who are just pure swindlers.)
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 11:26 am
(February 13, 2015 at 10:57 am)Stimbo Wrote: And yet again the point flies straight over your head.
Let's face it, Drich wouldn't get the point if it hit him between the eyes.
To him - and most Christians for that matter - it is about competing for a worldview that explains everything, so if you're pointing out the flaws in one worldview, you must therefore be promoting another. You see it in their responses all of the time. Criticize Christianity and they'll reply with "you think science explains why we're here?"
I think it's most likely a defense mechanism against truly processing criticism.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Watching that one led me to this one. Pretty funny.
http://youtu.be/XUOfi-8Op1c
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm
The greatest comedy ever filmed...and all too obviously way over drippy's head.... which doesn't take much.
Fuck the jesus freaks if they haven't got a sense of humor.
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RE: Why should people not see this film?
February 13, 2015 at 12:17 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The greatest comedy ever filmed...and all too obviously way over drippy's head.... which doesn't take much.
Fuck the jesus freaks if they haven't got a sense of humor.
I was laughing from start to finish its a brilliant film.
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