Intro from a christian

[Exian]

Hello, Wiggy. I acknowledge your intro.

[professor]

Wow Wiggy (are you still around?) you sure got off to a flying start.
How did your previous banter go with those atheists?
Can you elaborate?

[Exian]

Wow Wiggy (are you still around?) you sure got off to a flying start.
How did your previous banter go with those atheists?
Can you elaborate?

...in a new thread. Gotta give us a chance.

[DeadChannel]

Welcome. If you're here to understand how we think, uh... we should get to that...

Now lets begin with a prayer.

Good one.

Just kidding atheists.
My name is wiggy and the reason why I am here is to see how atheists think. I have debated many atheists and I am curious as to how they can be certain there is no God.

We're not certain that there is no god. We simply see no solid evidence for the existence of god.
If it helps you understand better, we also can't definitively disprove unicorns or The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Not being able to disprove something isn't in and of itself evidence.

After all bible says God hides his face from the wicked and gives them over to a depraved mind.

So, you're saying that you know the bible is right because the bible says so? Atheists don't hold the bible in higher regard than any other work of fiction, so appeals to it won't sway us.

A fool says there is no God.

A fool makes assertions with either bad logic or no logic behind them.

I dont think I could ever be converted to atheism thats because I think I have all the answers to all of the difficult questions like hell and suffering and many false Gods.

And that's the difference between theists an atheists. My world view isn't rock solid, it's subject to change. If you give me definitive proof that I can't refute of god, I'll change my mind. So, where is it?

My belief is based on evidence of what I see and feel and experience.

Citation? Keep in mind that if you appeal to "the beauty of the world" or something, I will reply with a Douglas Adams quote.

God to me is a graceous character full of love and hope for humanity.

Except for, like, all the murder, genocide, infanticide, torture, rape, hate etcetera in the bible, right?

We are a vapour but God is eternal.

That's not actually an argument, soooo....

I dont know why so many hate God when the gospel is about love.

We don't hate god any more than you hate The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the jar of peanut butter orbiting the moon. How can we hate something that we don't believe in?

There is no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend and that is what Jesus did for us.

Sure, but not actually an argument for his existence...

I hope that I am wrong but Christianity makes too much sense to me.

Don't kid yourself. You're not a Christian because it makes sense to you. You're a Christian because your parents told you to be as a child.

I dont want anyone to go to hell but hell is what it is and is reservered for the God hater. Deny the creator and lose your soul.

Threatening us with hell is like me threatening to punch you in your aura. Doesn't scare us, because we don't think it exists.

Science even proves we have a soul.

Can I have a citation, because Google's sure not giving me much...

[pocaracas]

Welcome aboard,wiggy.
Enjoy your time around here... I hope you come to learn all that's wrong in that OP text.

[downbeatplumb]

Now lets begin with a prayer. Just kidding atheists.
My name is wiggy and the reason why I am here is to see how atheists think. I have debated many atheists and I am curious as to how they can be certain there is no God. After all bible says God hides his face from the wicked and gives them over to a depraved mind. A fool says there is no God.

Well that's nice.
And hello to you too.

I dont think I could ever be converted to atheism thats because I think I have all the answers to all of the difficult questions like hell and suffering and many false Gods.

Those aren't the difficult questions.

My belief is based on evidence of what I see and feel and experience.

So your "evidence" is feeling and experience.
The same "evidence" that ISIS use. Interesting.

I dont know why so many hate God

I don't hate god, I don't hate Darth Vader either.

when the gospel is about love.

We have a saying around here "tell that to Soddom"
Have you even read the bible?

There is no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend and that is what Jesus did for us.

What did this alleged event achieve exactly?

I hope that I am wrong but Christianity makes too much sense to me. I dont want anyone to go to hell but hell is what it is and is reservered for the God hater. Deny the creator and lose your soul. Science even proves we have a soul.

No it doesn't.

Anyway welcome.

I have a feeling you are going to be fun.

[QuarkDriven]

Hey Wiggy, It doesn’t seem like you’re here to see how atheists think. If you’ve debated many atheists, then you should know how we think and you should know that we are not certain there is no god. We pretty much think it is highly unlikely that there is one. You should also know that quoting scripture doesn’t mean anything. That’s like me quoting Harry Potter and believing the spells are real. If you think you have all the answers, then you have none. Again, quoting scripture isn’t having answers. You say you have answers pertaining to many false gods yet you don’t think of your own as a false god. Going off of Dawkins here, what if you’re wrong? What if you were born in Iraq or Afghanistan? You would believe that god was the one and only and every other god was a false god. As the saying goes, everyone is an atheist; we just go one god further.
What evidence do you have? What have you seen? What do you feel and what have you experienced? Not that a feeling would be evidence of anything, but just curious to see what you revere as evidence. If your *gracious* god gives you hope and love for humanity, where has he been for the last 2,000 years and where was he before that? I’m of course assuming you’re not a young earth subscriber. I agree with one thing you say and that is “we are a vapour” cause in the grand picture, we are a speck of nothing, and I think we are lucky to have that “nothing”. Theists think that atheists think the world is all about them and that we hold ourselves in high regards. That’s true to a certain extent in the fact that we don’t give credit to a god when something good happens or ask him for the strength when something bad does. We take credit for what we do and we make things right when it’s bad. Why would you not give credit to your own species for all the accomplishments we’ve achieved? With that said, we think highly of ourselves, but at the same time, I admit, in the big picture, we are nothing and we are lucky to have that “nothing”.
You saying “I don’t know why so many hate god” is a false statement. We don’t hate god and we don’t hate Jesus. We simply do not believe that they exist and that a man was divine 2,000 years ago. You cannot hate what you don’t think exists. You say the gospel is about love but it sounds like you’re choosing to ignore all the negative in the bible. It’s not all pretty you know.
If Christianity makes too much sense to you, why would you hope that you are wrong? And telling us we’re going to hell, that’s just not cool. We know you’re not going to hell, but that’s cause we know hell isn’t a real place, just like heaven and purgatory for that matter. Even the kid who “saw heaven” and made money off those books and movie admitted it was all a lie. He did it for publicity… I supposed he is a liar and a “sinner” but if he repents to god all will be forgiven.. smh.. what a copout…
Oh and I’ve seen several people ask, but im going to ask it again anyway… When did science prove the “soul” is a tangible thing? I’d love to read that paper…

Thanks, Christopher

[Alex K]

Considering that Wiggy hasn't visited the forum for over two weeks after a few initial posts, I doubt e's hearing much of anything any more..

[QuarkDriven]

Considering that Wiggy hasn't visited the forum for over two weeks after a few initial posts, I doubt e's hearing much of anything any more..

i have "faith" that he's still reading the replies...

[robvalue]

We get a lot of these drive by types. When we don't instantly agree with everything they say, they get mad and leave.