Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[daver49]

How about, "If the god of the bible was to judge himself by his own standards, what would he say?"

Or, "If god was a human, and did all the things described in the bible, what would you think of that human?"

He must think he is god! But how can that be? How can something be divine and human at the same time? It is a paradox!

[Angrboda]

Yes. It's trivially simple.

"Christians, please can you show how you support the claim that your God is good?"

A different example is:

"How are you?"

Ok, those are good examples I can use. The fact that you even ask a question implies that you lack knowledge about the thing you are asking about. So, by "lacking" you have already judged the situation for yourself. You lack knowledge about "how Christians support the claim..." You lack knowledge about How I am. In both cases you have found yourself to be less than you want to be. You want have "More knowledge." If you want more of anything, you have judged yourself as not having enough of it. Yes, it is trivially simple.

[KevinM1]

I find this substance-less, vacuous wheel-spinning, somewhat-eastern-sounding mysticism stuff even more grating than the good old fire and brimstone shit.

I get a chuckle out of it because it simply highlights how the concept of god really only exists in each individual's mind. There is no definitive god, just a bunch of people filling in the gaps of a piss poor collection of Iron Age tales on their own.

[FatAndFaithless]

I find this substance-less, vacuous wheel-spinning, somewhat-eastern-sounding mysticism stuff even more grating than the good old fire and brimstone shit.

I get a chuckle out of it because it simply highlights how the concept of god really only exists in each individual's mind. There is no definitive god, just a bunch of people filling in the gaps of a piss poor collection of Iron Age tales on their own.

But it seems like all he's trying to do is grind down our methods of investigation to something like "since everything and everyone, including literally the concept of "thinking", is biased and value based, and since we can't "know" anything, then everything is reduced to the same level, so my claims about the divine are as valid as your naturalistic ideas".

It's like shitting on a canvas and saying it's as artistically "valid" as the Mona Lisa, since they both contain the color brown.

[Cyberman]

He must think he is god! But how can that be? How can something be divine and human at the same time? It is a paradox!

***cough***Jesus***cough***

[abaris]

I get a chuckle out of it because it simply highlights how the concept of god really only exists in each individual's mind. There is no definitive god, just a bunch of people filling in the gaps of a piss poor collection of Iron Age tales on their own.

It's the only contagious mental illness.

[KevinM1]

I get a chuckle out of it because it simply highlights how the concept of god really only exists in each individual's mind. There is no definitive god, just a bunch of people filling in the gaps of a piss poor collection of Iron Age tales on their own.

But it seems like all he's trying to do is grind down our methods of investigation to something like "since everything and everyone, including literally the concept of "thinking", is biased and value based, and since we can't "know" anything, then everything is reduced to the same level, so my claims about the divine are as valid as your naturalistic ideas".

It's like shitting on a canvas and saying it's as artistically "valid" as the Mona Lisa, since they both contain the color brown.

Which is a common trick. "Everything is subjective, therefore my bullshit is just as valid as what you think." Except, even if everything is subjective, history has proven that logic, and conclusions based on evidence is still more consistent than bullshit. Our entire modern culture is based on the predictability of those rules. Even if it's wrong or biased or whatever compared to some sort of nebulous sense of objective rightness (if even such a thing exists), it's still less wrong than what theists spout.

[daver49]

I saw Martin Scorsese (Director of Taxi Driver) at an NYU graduation ceremony last year. He was the commencement speaker and did it totally without notes, captivating the audience. The only thing I remember him telling the graduates was something like, "Do what you love, and don't worry about what others tell you." Fear is a great stumbling block to fulfillment.

[Cyberman]

It's also a great protection against getting hurt.

[daver49]

He must think he is god! But how can that be? How can something be divine and human at the same time? It is a paradox!

***cough***Jesus***cough***

Nasty cough you have there...especially the second one!

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It's like shitting on a canvas and saying it's as artistically "valid" as the Mona Lisa, since they both contain the color brown.

Close, but really it is saying that "beauty" is in the eye of the beholder...



Col. Jessep: You want answers?

Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.

Col. Jessep: *You want answers?*

Kaffee: *I want the truth!*

Col. Jessep: *You can't handle the truth!*
-From "A Few Good Men."

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It's also a great protection against getting hurt.

We don't need fear as protection. Common sense works just fine, as does learning from experience. I don't fear a stove burner turned on high but I sure as hell am not going to put my hand on it. (Oh, please amend that "sure as hell" part).

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I find this substance-less, vacuous wheel-spinning, somewhat-eastern-sounding mysticism stuff even more grating than the good old fire and brimstone shit.

I get a chuckle out of it because it simply highlights how the concept of god really only exists in each individual's mind. There is no definitive god, just a bunch of people filling in the gaps of a piss poor collection of Iron Age tales on their own.

Yes, it is the concept that causes the issue...not the thing itself. The thing itself can't cause an issue because it is not a concept/thought/idea. BTW strike-through the words "The thing" and "it".