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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:04 pm
(March 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)professor Wrote: FiveSpot, you are totally correct.
One of our guys does address that.
And one view of life is right and one is wrong.
Gentlemen (and Ladies) place your bets... oh, I see you already have?
You may still have opportunity to fold and re-consider.
Closing time is coming.
Pascals Wager has zero to do with this. But, I expect you knew that.
Gospel genealogies... I'm up to speed on that one.. thanks. Given the anonymity and dates of the gospels, I don't take them for much anyway.
I read the entire page on that link above on the catholic.com site. It does nothing at all to support the case for "The Fall". They simply assert it's true, and back it up with nothing at all. Interesting reading, does nothing for their case.
As for "It's not meant to be take literal", Tell that to the hoards of believers who do! But, thats why I keep trying to grasp how an entire religion can still be founded on such an obvious flaw.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Quote:But, I expect you knew that.
When you've been around longer you'll know not to give the prof much credit for knowing anything.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:08 pm
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Yeah the Catholic church has a habit of just poofing infallible eternal theological concepts in and out of existence.
And I really don't like it when atheists of all people say the Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally. It may be idiocy to take it literally, but I wouldn't claim to know the minds of the people that put it together, and there's nowhere in the documents themselves that claims 'you shouldn't take this literally by the way'. It's not my or any atheist's job to qualify the religion, you just respond to the religious claims that the theists make.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:11 pm
(March 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm)Strider Wrote: The whole of Genesis can be picked apart by an elementary school child. If the entire creation myth can be dismantled line by line, something that seems impossible from a work that is supposedly the "inspired word of god", then the rest crumbles along with it.
I agree.. and that's where my :wtf: comes from. Genesis is soooooo not true, I still can't fathom the level of cognitive dissonance required to keep Christianity alive. Granted... 6 years ago I was a "believer", until I started asking questions. So, I get why it's easy to believe, but once I learned facts and truths and realized the folly of what I'd been taught all those years... well.... you know where that has led me. 
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:25 pm
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The fact being god created everything in the dark then created the sun seems legitimately stupid.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:37 pm
(March 4, 2015 at 3:37 pm)FiveSpotCharlie Wrote: What am I missing?
You are missing the curse of the law. Jesus did not really die on the cross for saving us from the original sin. He took the punishment from the law that was made when God made a covenant with his people in Deuteronomy 27:26. It consists of 613 commandments that cannot be broken, and which, due to their nature, cannot be followed to perfection.
See Galatians 3:10-13.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(March 4, 2015 at 5:37 pm)Void Wrote: (March 4, 2015 at 3:37 pm)FiveSpotCharlie Wrote: What am I missing?
You are missing the curse of the law. Jesus did not really die on the cross for saving us from the original sin. He took the punishment from the law that was made when God made a covenant with his people in Deuteronomy 27:26. It consists of 613 commandments that cannot be broken, and which, due to their nature, cannot be followed to perfection.
See Galatians 3:10-13.
In turn god pretty much died for himself to please himself that makes things all better but no it doesn't god is still angry for pretty much nothing.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:54 pm
(March 4, 2015 at 3:37 pm)FiveSpotCharlie Wrote: What am I missing? Where you are mistaken is in any belief that the purpose of religion is to understand our reality in any consistent, rational manner.
Looking from a different perspective, the purpose of religion is to establish, support and protect a population of individual humans forming a robust and resilient society. In this view, denial of obvious fact contradicting dogma is an important mechanism to protect the group at the expense of honesty or even coherence for the member.
Not only does it not matter that the dogma is contrary to observation and reason, that is a feature, not a bug, which welds the adherents into a functional, brain-eatin' machine.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 5:56 pm
Fivespot
You can see how the argument goes here:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-31788-po...#pid888812
In this case, Lek, the theist, invented a whole new method of god somehow infusing souls into humans around 6-8K years ago. Pulled it out of thin air.
Never mind this isn't biblical or doesn't adequately address the millions of humans existing before then. Or why then? Or to who? All? Some? When you believe in magical fairy tales, plot holes, meh? They just are so desperate to believe in the fairy tale for some reason.
Many theists continue to operate under the mistaken idea that we, if you go back far enough, *do* come from just two humans. DNA and genetics of course shows that is total bullshit, but it doesn't matter to the brainwashed.
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RE: Genesis is not fact, there for Jesus is not necessary?
March 4, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Quote:Pulled it out of thin air.
Pulled it out of his ass.
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