Jesus' Sacrifice

[Drich]

God is a title and not a name. Example:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.

For the son to ask the Father anything would be no different than any son to ask any father something who shared the same title.

So you believe in Arianism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

as defined above I do not believe in Arianism.

I simply state that God is a title and not a name as per the description/Interaction Christ had that found in the bible it self.

[dyresand]

BJ(bible jesus) doesn't exist.
HJ however did he was not a magical person and he died questioning the authority and rule of Rome during the time period.

[Ravenshire]

you shouldn't just mindlessly believe anything anyone says they make up.

I don't. That's why I don't believe in your fairy tales.

You should however ask for the evidences that leads people to believe what they believe and then question it, and then make up your own mind.

I've asked for evidence over and over and over and...
Never gotten any though.

Also know I clearly draw the line between what I believe and what the bible says as Paul does in His own writtings. So understand nothing I have done here is out of line. (even though your 'outrage' would suggest otherwise.)

So, you admit to making shit up to square your circle. Wow, that's just, I don't even... You're using your personal, unfounded bullshit as part of your argument. I would say that is out of line. Don't worry though. I understand. That type of intellectual dishonesty is perfectly acceptable as long as it saves "souls" for jeebus.

Outrage?!? Bitch, please.

[Drich]

So, Drich, you believe that even though you commit sins similar to a nonbeliever, you won't be judged for those same sins? God doesn't want good behavior, he wants adoration.

My forgiveness of sins is completely dependant on whether or not I accept Christ, Forgive others as I have been forgiven (per the parable of the unmerciful servant and the Lord's prayer) and the condition of my heart when I sin. as per Paul and Romans 7.

If I have and accepted Christ as my Lord and savior, I forgive as I have been forgiven and my sins (like Paul says) "are not what I want, but the sin living in me wants" Then yes we can commit the same sin, and I be forgiven and you not.

Christianity per Paul in Romans 7 is not about living sin free. He arguabily was the greatest of all the Apstoles and in Roman 7 said He could not stop sinning.

So, god sacrificed himself not to save humans but to get lots of adoration and praise for doing so. He didn't really save humans from sin, according to you. He supposedly made it so that he will ignore their sins but they won't really be any better than non Christians. We should invent a new omni word to apply to your god, omni-ego

Do you really think Christians are better people than non Christians???

we aren't infact Real Christians know that they are worse. That is why we seek attonement. It is the Great lie of this world that tells you 'morality' will ever be enough to not seek attonment. To truly seek Christ one must understand the He is morally bankrupt. Which is why this world/our soceity tries and justifies sin, rather than simply seek forgiveness for it. (If one is justified, then one does not need to ask for forgiveness, therefore does not need God.)

[Ravenshire]

we aren't infact Real Christians know that they are worse.

This is one of the most disgusting and damaging beliefs in religion.

[Drich]

I've asked for evidence over and over and over and...
Never gotten any though.

what evidence have you asked for?

So, you admit to making shit up to square your circle. Wow, that's just, I don't even... You're using your personal, unfounded bullshit as part of your argument. I would say that is out of line.

How do you know if anything I said or use is personal or unfounded? You havent asked me what or why I use what I do. It seems to me you on a witch hunt, evidence be dammed. Seems to me that you believe that you dont have to establish "The line" just mention that I cross it. who do you think you are? bill marr? a collage professor?? That crap only works when you have a captive audience that you personally have brain washed into that way you think.. It takes a group of supporters to see you as an authority in something... You're not.. Rather you admit in your very name that you are just some snake oil sales man.

Don't worry though. I understand. That type of intellectual dishonesty is perfectly acceptable as long as it saves "souls" for jeebus.

Outrage?!? Bitch, please.

Let me show you what I mean by establishing "The Line." I said in my last post what I did is no different than what Paul does in His writtings when He has something personal to add. Here is an example:
2 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

So again sport, Nothing I've done here is 'out of line.' Matter of fact it is modeled in Scripture.

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we aren't infact Real Christians know that they are worse.

This is one of the most disgusting and damaging beliefs in religion.

Have you ever considered if you truly believe what you just said, that you do not fully grasp what Christianity truly is?

[Ravenshire]

what evidence have you asked for?

Do you seriously expect me to give a comprehensive list of all the times I've asked christer ass-hats like you for actual, testable, verifiable evidence for their gawd?!? That would be a truly herculean effort. Let me sum up all the requests I've ever made...
Please provide testable, verifiable evidence for your gawd claims.

I've made this request countless times and gotten exactly the same thing in response every time.

I expect nothing better this time.

How do you know if anything I said or use is personal or unfounded? You havent asked me what or why I use what I do. It seems to me you on a witch hunt, evidence be dammed. Seems to me that you believe that you dont have to establish "The line" just mention that I cross it.

Here are your words, using your made up bullshit to make a point:

That's the thing. We truly don't know what the whole Cost was. The bible does not tell us everything Christ endured or will/has lost for His sacrifice on the cross, but I believe it did go beyond what He experienced on the cross. I don't think eternity future will look the same for Jesus as eternity past did.

(emphasis is mine)
This both defines the line and shows you stepping over...

Have you ever considered if you truly believe what you just said, that you do not fully grasp what Christianity truly is?

Oh, trust me. I understand full well what christeranity is. A bunch of snake oil salesmen trying to convince me I've got a disease so they can sell me their bogus cure.

Rather you admit in your very name that you are just some snake oil sales man.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? That would be SnakeOilWarrior. Doing battle against snake oil salesmen like yourself whenever and wherever it's needed.

[Nope]

So, Drich, you believe that even though you commit sins similar to a nonbeliever, you won't be judged for those same sins? God doesn't want good behavior, he wants adoration.

My forgiveness of sins is completely dependant on whether or not I accept Christ, Forgive others as I have been forgiven (per the parable of the unmerciful servant and the Lord's prayer) and the condition of my heart when I sin. as per Paul and Romans 7.

If I have and accepted Christ as my Lord and savior, I forgive as I have been forgiven and my sins (like Paul says) "are not what I want, but the sin living in me wants" Then yes we can commit the same sin, and I be forgiven and you not.

Christianity per Paul in Romans 7 is not about living sin free. He arguabily was the greatest of all the Apstoles and in Roman 7 said He could not stop sinning.

So, god sacrificed himself not to save humans but to get lots of adoration and praise for doing so. He didn't really save humans from sin, according to you. He supposedly made it so that he will ignore their sins but they won't really be any better than non Christians. We should invent a new omni word to apply to your god, omni-ego

Do you really think Christians are better people than non Christians???

we aren't infact Real Christians know that they are worse. That is why we seek attonement. It is the Great lie of this world that tells you 'morality' will ever be enough to not seek attonment. To truly seek Christ one must understand the He is morally bankrupt. Which is why this world/our soceity tries and justifies sin, rather than simply seek forgiveness for it. (If one is justified, then one does not need to ask for forgiveness, therefore does not need God.)

I didn't say Christians were better than anyone else. Christians are the same as other humans, neither better nor worse. They aren't more kind or loving or less kind or loving. The so called holy spirit has no discernable effect on the believers' actions.

It is very sad that you view yourself as morally bankrupt. In a way, it is also almost overly confident to view yourself as morally bankrupt. Moral bankruptcy, to me, would apply to a violent psychopath or someone with absolutely no morals, at all.You had morals before you were a Christian, Drich so how can your morals ever have been nonexistent?

Of course, I also don't view thoughts as sins.

[Pizza]

You know it's annoying when people overuse . Just saying. It wastes space.

[Minimalist]

I simply state that God is a title and not a name as per the description/Interaction Christ had that found in the bible it self.

"Christ" is a title, too. Moron.