To peace and love Christians

[dyresand]

I don't see much productivity in that... Define moderate

A person with a strong religious belief who believes that everything written in the bible to be true. You have 2 kinds of moderates the non violent ones and then you have the nutters. The nutters take it to the next level and will cause violence and harm.

[Dystopia]

Really? because my definition of moderates are people who don't take religion very seriously and don't follow everything in the book... A strong religious person is most likely not a moderate

[robvalue]

Time to wheel out my hilarious stuff again:

Liberal: Claims their religion is sort-of true, and follows almost none of it.

Moderate: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows some of it.

Extremist: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows almost all of it.

Which one is the biggest hypocrite

[Dystopia]

Time to wheel out my hilarious stuff again:

Liberal: Claims their religion is sort-of true, and follows almost none of it.

Moderate: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows some of it.

Extremist: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows almost all of it.

Which one is the biggest hypocrite

I've lost interest for these differences. Right now I care only about people's actions and little about motives. As long as they don't break the law and are tolerant, they're ok. Personally I define moderate as being the same as liberal - But I wouldn't say they follow almost none of it - They certainly miss some verses but from my experience some Christians genuinely admit that they reject some bible parts. As long as they admit they're rejecting, I'm ok - It's always better than pretending it doesn't exist. I think the world would be better if all Christians accepted evolution, science and tolerance for non-Christians

[dyresand]

Really? because my definition of moderates are people who don't take religion very seriously and don't follow everything in the book... A strong religious person is most likely not a moderate

I used the wrong word for that on my part so my mistake you know which ones i am talking about.

[robvalue]

Time to wheel out my hilarious stuff again:

Liberal: Claims their religion is sort-of true, and follows almost none of it.

Moderate: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows some of it.

Extremist: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows almost all of it.

Which one is the biggest hypocrite

I've lost interest for these differences. Right now I care only about people's actions and little about motives. As long as they don't break the law and are tolerant, they're ok. Personally I define moderate as being the same as liberal - But I wouldn't say they follow almost none of it - They certainly miss some verses but from my experience some Christians genuinely admit that they reject some bible parts. As long as they admit they're rejecting, I'm ok - It's always better than pretending it doesn't exist. I think the world would be better if all Christians accepted evolution, science and tolerance for non-Christians

I agree, I'm just being an unfunny pedant. All that really matters is how people act. If that means ignoring most of their book to make them a good person, I'm all for it. And sure, we need more of "the bible is metaphorical" type theists so they can actually learn about science without having mental seizures.

I just find the moderate position to be the most baffling.

[Jenny A]

Time to wheel out my hilarious stuff again:

Liberal: Claims their religion is sort-of true, and follows almost none of it.

Moderate: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows some of it.

Extremist: Claims their religion is totally true, and follows almost all of it.

Which one is the biggest hypocrite

I don't know enough about Islam or Judaism to this with those, but for Christians it goes more like this:

Liberal: Claims that the heaven and forgiveness of sins part is true, but the uncomfortable bits like hell aren't. Says Jesus was a great moral teacher, but rarely reads the Gospels. Is sure Jesus was a liberal and that when he said to give away your possessions, he meant vote for higher taxes. Says the Old Testament and some of the New Testament should be read metaphorically. May believe in something else on the side like Buddhism, Hinduism, Wicca, or even Ra. Can't explain how both heaven and reincarnation work, but what the hell, it's woo. He may rarely attend church (unless he's Unitarian) but he loves to go on retreats.

Moderate: Claims the Bible is spiritually true (whatever that might mean). Believes most of it, but doesn't like to think about the uncomfortable parts. May not believe in hell or at least doesn't like to think about it. Probably does not believe in The Rapture, and is not looking for The End Times. Likes to think of Jesus as clean cut version of himself. Church attendance may vary from three times a week to once a year. The older he is, the more often he attends. Attends goes up for a while on the birth of a child.

Extremist: Says the Bible is one hundred percent true, but only acts on the mean spirited nasty bits. Touts turning the cheek and love your neighbor in debate, but certainly does not behave that way. Thinks Jesus was an anti-commie, gun toting capitalist who loved the middle class. Considers socialism is a form of theft and therefore a sin. Spends much time thinking about the Rapture and The End Times and might possibly be actively trying to hurry them along. Likes mystical numbers and signs. Won't sleep in room 666 and may think that his zip code or social security number is an attempt to brand him with the mark of the beast. Either never goes to church because he doesn't believe in organized religion or his whole social circle is based upon one church.

[Lemonvariable72]

Meh I doubt most Christians in real life (at least the ones I've met) are interested in preaching or converting, they just want peace and to be left alone. To some extent I miss to see the relevance of the OP - A Christian is responsible for his/hers actions and no on else's - If they do believe in the message of peace and love I don't see any particular reason to be upset. I don't think the peaceful Christian side is responsible for the violent Christian side, as with any other religion; just like I'm not responsible for any atheist who is a complete utter moron (and believe me, there are many)

I'm actually referring to Christians who actively reach out to atheists with this message. In truth I much prefer liberal Christians to fundies.

[Ben Davis]

I think the world would be better if all Christians accepted evolution, science and tolerance for non-Christians

You know what, this is what happens in the UK, generally. As a result, most non-christian brits have little/no problem with christians.

Who'd have thought that not being an arsehole would pay off?!

[RobbyPants]

Why do come here telling about how your pet religion is all peace and love, when there is so much done by Christians that is just hateful bullshit? As an outsider I don't really understand why you would address outsiders with this message when clearly that's not what all Christians believe. So in short why don't you take the peace and love routine and preach it to the fundies that clearly didn't get the memo?

There are two sides to this coin:

One side will pull a no true Scotsman and say that all of those hateful people aren't true Christians (of course, the hateful ones say that about them, so there's that).

The other side is:


As others have said, it's pretty blatant cherry-picking.