The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Rekeisha]

The robot thing is a fictional construct I put together as an analogy to illustrate the fact that if Gaud is omniscient, his act of creating the Universe precludes any other being in the Universe from responsibility for its actions.

 
Rev 5:1-5 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
 
Jesus will and has taken responsibility for your sin and mine by taking the wrath of God when he died on the cross and rose again. if you repent from your sins, you would have the ability, through faith, to obey God by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is God taking responsibility for you even though he has no need to do that.
The other way He will take responsibility for human's sin is by judging.
Like I have said in my analogy. If the a robot is broken there is nothing wrong with junking it.
 
Rev 20 11-15 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

If you're against abortion, how can you support the Bible? Haven't you read Numbers? If your wife becomes pregnant, and you think the baby might not be yours, you're supposed to have the priest make a potion by soaking scripture/prayer scrolls and some other shit in water. You give the wife the potion, and if the baby isn't yours, then Gaud himself will smite the child in her womb, aborting the baby and causing the wife to become horrendously, vomitously sick (usually resulting in her death).

I believe you are talking about Number 5:11-31. Is your explanation from your own interpretation or from someone else's commentary on these verses. Either way that is not what is displayed in the scriptures. The husband is just suspicious of His wife being adulterous. So he takes her to the priest. As God would know if she has been faithful or not. So it is God who will make her barren (if she was unfaithful), not abort her child, or show that the husband is in the wrong (if she wasn't unfaithful) by her not getting sick.

(let us talk about the bitter cup)

 
11 The Lord spoke to Moses: 12  “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: If any man’s wife goes astray, is unfaithful to him, 13 and sleeps with another, but it is concealed from her husband, and she is undetected, even though she has defiled herself, since there is no witness against her, and she wasn’t caught in the act; 14 and if a feeling of jealousy comes over the husband and he becomes jealous because of his wife who has defiled herself—or if a feeling of jealousy comes over him and he becomes jealous of her though she has not defiled herself—15 then the man is to bring his wife to the priest. He is also to bring an offering for her of two quarts of barley flour. He is not to pour oil over it or put frankincense on it because it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering for remembrance that brings sin to mind.16 “The priest is to bring her forward and have her stand before the Lord . 17 Then the priest is to take holy water in a clay bowl, and take some of the dust from the tabernacle floor and put it in the water.18 After the priest has the woman stand before the Lord , he is to letdown her hair and place in her hands the grain offering for remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. The priest is to hold the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 The priest will require the woman to take an oath and will say to her, ‘If no man has slept with you, if you have not gone astray and become defiled while under your husband’s authority, be unaffected by this bitter water that brings a curse. 20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, if you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has slept with you’— 21 at this point the priest must make the woman take the oath with the sworn curse, and he is to say to her—‘May the Lord make you into an object of your people’s cursing and swearing when He makes your thigh shrivel and your belly swell.22 May this water that brings a curse enter your stomach, causing your belly to swell and your thigh to shrivel.’“ And the woman must reply, ‘ Amen , Amen.’23 “Then the priest is to write these curses on a scroll and wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He will require the woman to drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and it will enter her and cause bitter suffering. 25 The priest is to take the grain offering of jealousy from the woman’s hand, wave the offering before the Lord , and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial portion and burn it on the altar. Then he will require the woman to drink the water.27 “When he makes her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter her and cause bitter suffering; her belly will swell, and her thigh will shrivel. She will become a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is pure, she will be unaffected and will be able to conceive children.29  “This is the law regarding jealousy when a wife goes astray and defiles herself while under her husband’s authority, 30  or when a feeling of jealousy comes over a husband and he becomes jealous of his wife. He is to have the woman stand before the Lord , and the priest will apply this entire ritual to her. 31 The husband will be free of guilt, but that woman will bear the consequences of her guilt.”

Haven't you read the story of David and Bathsheba? Gaud punishes David for killing Uriah the Hittite and stealing his wife by killing the first baby David and Bathsheba made together.

Yes I have

1 Sam. 2:6 “The Lord brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.

Ps 24:1 The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;

 
God gives life and he takes it away. He is all knowing and controls everything. Not just that, He is a good, just and holy God. (James 1:17 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.) When he took the child his intents and purposes where right and just. People make decisions to "take life" base on their own selfish and incomplete knowledge

There's also all those times that he commands the Israelites to do things like dash and rend their enemies' babies on the stones of the ground.

Psalm 137

1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
    when we remembered Zion.
2 There on the poplars
    we hung our harps,
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
    our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
    they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord
    while in a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
    may my right hand forget its skill.
6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
    if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
    my highest joy.

7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
    on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
    “tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
    happy is the one who repays you
    according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
    and dashes them against the rocks.

 

             

 

The psalmist is calling for vindication for what has happened to the Israelite babies by saying to God "happy is the one who seizes your infants..."  this is not an explicit command from God, this is a song is a lament about real situation were people have been taken away from their country and have experienced the horrors of war. God isn't looking for those who will pretend everything is ok, but who will be honest about the situation. He knows what is in our hearts and would rather for us to take our pain to Him and not try to do take the situation in our own hands.

 
The Babylonians were over thrown and what happened to the Israelite children happened to the Babylonians. They received no mercy for their family and children as they did not show mercy to their captives. People choose to kill for their own selfish reasons while God makes judgments that are just (knowing all, and having made all).  When God commands destruction it is a judgment that weighs the extent of depravity carried out by a nation or a person(s). He is a just judge and has wisdom and understanding and the power/right to make that judgment. 

when the organism is still a zygote and contains systems no more complex than those found in a prawn

I find your change in language interesting. It seem as though that you are fine having a discussion using the tern "babies" when it comes to God killing/destroying life.  But when it comes to people aborting their own babies in the womb, now you use the term "zygotes". It seems as though you are dehumanizing the baby when it comes to your view on abortion. If I go with your line of logic then I will conclude that worth is based upon complexity. So a fully formed prawn is worth more than a human baby at conception.  

If this is so is why do you see abortion as unfortunate? Do you find it unfortunate that people eat prawns?  

I don't think a zygote or a fetus should have any rights to speak of, and I certainly don't think they should have rights that interfere with or super-cede the rights of actual humans.

Prov 31:8,9 Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy

 

It is easier to say a zygote or a fetus has no rights because you can dehumanize them in order to justify an action that is wrong. This is much like slavery. They dehumanize theses people and said they were not human in order to justify owning them. The truth is that they are children conceived not by their own will to parents they did not choose. They are defenseless, but because some have blinded themselves from the truth and bought the lie that the culture has touted; they destroy their children and themselves.
Their only hope is God who is gracious and slow to anger and abounding in love. He wants life and is quick to forgive those who are contrite and seeking repentance for their sin. He knows the pain that this causes and is for life and an abundant life. Abortion is not good for the woman's health either, as it is known to  caused hemorrhaging and depression and even cancer. Also it kills a society. 

Religious human sacrifice is wrong because it's murder, and because gods don't exist, making it totally pointless. There is nothing moral about the pointless slaughter of humans or animals. Nothing.

Here is a change of language again. We must be consistent a woman only gives birth to a human so from the moment of conception the baby is a human. You only lie to yourself to change the language in order to fit your view point.

 

If there is no God to ascribe worth to a human then human sacrifice is only wrong because it is your brand of morality. You have no firm grounding to say it is murder because as you have said morals are subjective and on a cosmic level human life is worth nothing.

 
Also God sacrificed Himself for the sins of mankind because that is the cost of sin (death). He is holy and righteous and has no need for any human. Our sin requires a punishment and it is only by his grace and mercy that he has made a way for anyone to come to know him. So the sacrifice of His son is not pointless it is to make a kingdom of priests from every nation tribe and tongue. He will accomplish His goal, and it will be glorious. Those who refuse His freely given gift of salvation will pay for their sins with their own life.

It's inefficient because it just is, kid

Would you be willing to allow me to answer you in the same way. God is real because He is.

What about the sacrifice system is more efficient than adjusting the design prior to beginning to create anything?

The result of sin is death. We are made to be in a relationship that glorifies the Living God. Sin is our rejection of our relationship with God. So I find it very efficient for God to use the death and resurrection of His Son to purchase a people form every time period and nation and people to create a kingdom for his own. When I repented of my sins I receive all of God's righteousness, God then took all of my sin and died with it. This is efficient.  It is jarring but shows the extent of what my sin actually cost. This system destroys the world's view of who people are and who God is. God is not a angry judgmental God seeking to destroy all. Neither is God's love sloppy kisses with no discipline, or justice.

                                            
He is a God who would willingly insert Himself into the human condition in order to restore a people unto himself. He cares for our problems and our troubles and will willingly look at all of are hurts and dysfunctions and is not scandalized. He knows everything about us but still willingly dies for us. This truth must not just be spoken or read or credited too, but lived out. To understand God we must experience God because our purpose is to have a relationship with God and glorify Him. We will be fixed but at great cost to God and to us. It is a messy way to redeem a people but the right way. 

If you already know the outcome of everything, risk is not a thing.

You are right risk is not the right word. Still it is costly to love. 

Longer lives, healthier bodies, healing from sickness and injury, the secrets to the origins of life and the Universe...science has routinely delivered on the failures of religion. Why do you suppose that is?

Science hasn't done any of this. God is the one who created the body and the one who gives knowledge and understanding. we are, because of Him and we can comprehend the world around us and are sane because of His will. We can't even be without Him.

 
Science works best when working in concert with God's ways, and worship and life is lived best when in submission to Him and His ways. Things can't properly function without God. The knowledge that is ascertained through the practice of science can help with longer life and healthier bodies or heal injures, but it can't answer the questions: "should it be done" or "how to go about finding the best solution". When we, as humans, attempt to remove God from our lives we blindly blunder in life. We harm others intentionally or unintentionally. Also people used to live a lot longer than they do now. basically life and death are in the hands of God. 

There is no reason to believe the laws of physics would fluctuate all the time with no Gaud to govern them

Actually without God there is no reason to believe that things will be constant.

You didn't will your cells to divide in your mother's womb. You aren't willing your heart to beat and managing every blood cell to flow through your body. You are alive, you are a thinking being, different from a tree or a dog. You know how to function in the world and even understand morals beyond just the social ones you have learned. There are things that your body does without your interference. It functions well enough for you to interact with other living beings and nature.

Yet you have to keep your house in order, or someone does, things break down and disintegrate. The only way to keep things running and moving as they should is by up keeping them. This is something we see every day in our lives. So why do you assume that it would be different throughout creation?
God is up keeping your cells till a certain time. He started your life and has numbered your days and one day by His will your life will end. There is no you without Him. 

We value the conclusions of science because they are testable and repeatable by different people with different opinions, and the observed result will still be the same.

the conclusion of macroevolution is not scientific because it cannot be observed or recreated.

Now, compare that with Gaud, where everyone can be looking at the same book and the same world and still come to vastly different conclusions about what Gaud wants, what he approves of, and who he likes or doesn't like.

An unregenerate heart, someone who rejects God, will look at the bible and do a couple of things. (when I am saying unregenerate I mean a heart that is seeking it's own will and not God's)

1) God is real so I am going to work hard to do what he says. That way he will see my work and say that I have done good and I can be in heaven not hell.

* Since people can not do this then they create work arounds and put on airs in order to fool the masses. Even to fool themselves so they seem righteous.

2)God is real but I don't like him so I am going to go the other direction.

*They may even try to use him in a way to build a argument that will show him as evil/mean/unjust. Or possible show that this all is just a myth, and the "real" story has been lost.

3) This book is interesting/uninteresting literature but nothing more.

4) God is real and I am a sinner under his wrath because of my sin.
*So because of this, this person seeks his forgiveness. They do this because they have read that God wants to relent. He doesn't want to have people under his wrath. So much so that he went to great pains to produce a way in which humans can come into a beautiful relationship with God. As they lay down their life and seek God's life of righteousness, they receive the holy spirit which will lead them into all truth, especially that which is written in the Bible. 

The fact that nobody can agree what they're looking a

That is also untrue. There are people all around the world who agree that the bible is the truth. There are true Christians that disagree on minor issues but as we are all maturing in Christ we learn the truth about who God is. You can see that happening at the beginning of Christianity in the epistles to the church. Corinthians and Galatians speak especially about God's people disagreeing and being corrected about what the truth and our focus as Christ followers should be.

The Bible is not a collection of historical documents

where is your documentation for this information?

If it is fiction then it should be easily disproven with some documented evidence. The Mormon bible is easily disproven so it should be the same with the bible. 

Because Gaud is unrestrained and autocratic in the making of his rules, and because his rules stem primarily from his personal whim without any reason or system, Gaud's laws are arbitrary. I don't know how much more plain I can make that.

If that is your explanation of why God's laws are arbitrary then all of creation is also arbitrary yet their is structure and purpose even if we don't understand it. The entire universe and its structure and beauty and reliability stems from God (as things don't just "pop" in and out of existence). Also God's law is a plum line for mankind. Moses told the Israelites at the end of Deut. 6 that if they obeyed all of the law, that would be their righteousness. Yet they consistently had failed up to that point and continued to fail today. It showed the that there is none righteous. Yet Jesus came and fulfilled all of the Law. This is because the law isn't arbitrary but a reflection who God is. This is why Jesus was able to fulfill all of the law. This is good for all who wish to be in the presence of God because through His sacrifice on the cross and our repentance of our sin that we are able to accept righteousness through the indwelling of the spirit. 

Naturally, you took the analogy entirely too literally and have missed the point by a mile

actually I just take things literally that has nothing to do with my belief in the bible and that doesn't make your analogy correct

suffering is the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship

So, what if in some cases allowing suffering would be the best thing for a person. I have undergone suffering and I used to hate the idea of it, but now I can see the blessings that have been produced by my suffering. There are things that are revealed during the times of struggle and pain that you would not have realized without it. I see what the evil in my heart produces. It also causes me to revaluate what I value and to seek God's face. It shows me God's strength to provided and that all his ways are good. 

[Redbeard The Pink]

Wow. That is a long-ass post with some tiny-ass text.


Suffice it to say that I am unconvinced and unimpressed by your extensive Bible quoting. You've still left me without any reason to believe anything the Bible says.


That little psalm of yours, by the way, has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Gaud repeatedly commands the Israelites to destroy, pillage, plunder, and rape pretty much any non-jews they come across there for a good while. Except the people of the valley, of course--those iron chariots are Gaud's only weakness.


On that note, if your Gaud is all-powerful, then why does the Bible say that he couldn't drive the people out of the valley because of their iron chariots? Surely, if he were all-powerful, iron chariots wouldn't stand in his way, would they?


Also, sure plenty of people insist the Bible is the truth, but those people can't agree on what it actually says, or what it actually means, or how much of it is literal, or how much of it is metaphorical.


Honestly, I'm getting sick of picking through this. It's huge, and the text size makes it practically unreadable.

[Joods]

Redbeard, don't you know that's part of the plan? To make the font small and impossible to read, thus causing a headache to take your mind off the circular argument, which will make you less likely to want to respond and ad nauseum.

[Edwardo Piet]

In other news: I like scrambie eggs.

[Rekeisha]

Wow. That is a long-ass post with some tiny-ass text.


Suffice it to say that I am unconvinced and unimpressed by your extensive Bible quoting. You've still left me without any reason to believe anything the Bible says.


That little psalm of yours, by the way, has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Gaud repeatedly commands the Israelites to destroy, pillage, plunder, and rape pretty much any non-jews they come across there for a good while. Except the people of the valley, of course--those iron chariots are Gaud's only weakness.


On that note, if your Gaud is all-powerful, then why does the Bible say that he couldn't drive the people out of the valley because of their iron chariots? Surely, if he were all-powerful, iron chariots wouldn't stand in his way, would they?


Also, sure plenty of people insist the Bible is the truth, but those people can't agree on what it actually says, or what it actually means, or how much of it is literal, or how much of it is metaphorical.


Honestly, I'm getting sick of picking through this. It's huge, and the text size makes it practically unreadable.

I wanted to give you a full response to your answers so that is why the post was so long. I apologize for the font. I knew better when I posted it but didn't take the time to change it.

Although, I don't know what that has to do with the content of the post. Also I can't say that I am trying to impress you. If that were so I would not be talking about Jesus. I also know I personally can't convince you of anything that I say about God. You don't want to believe in Him so there I nothing I could do to make you change your mind. Your problem isn't that you don't have enough information it that you need a new heart. You know, since you studied it,  that the word of God says you are dead in your sins and need to be brought from death to life. You are blind to the things of God and it is only through the Holy Spirit that you will understand the value of Christ's death on the Cross and your need to repent. 

If the psalm was not the verses your were talking about would you please cite the verse you were speaking of and also do the same with the chariots so that we can be on the same page. That way you won't be reading things that don't pertain to what you spoke about and I won't be guessing about what you are talking about.

Lastly for now, just because people can't agree doesn't mean the Bible isn't true. I am in a study now where I am with christians for different denominations who view thing or interpret things differently than I do. It doesn't stop them from being christian because we agree on the essentials. It can't stop the truth from being true. It doesn't make divisions with me and them because we don't major on the minor element of the Bible.

[Redbeard The Pink]

I wanted to give you a full response to your answers so that is why the post was so long.  I apologize for the font. I knew better when I posted it but didn't take the time to change it.

Although, I don't know what that has to do with the content of the post. Also I can't say that I am trying to impress you. If that were so I would not be talking about Jesus. I also know I personally can't convince you of anything that I say about God. You don't want to believe in Him so there I nothing I could do to make you change your mind. Your problem isn't that you don't have enough information it that you need a new heart. You know, since you studied it,  that the word of God says you are dead in your sins and need to be brought from death to life. You are blind to the things of God and it is only through the Holy Spirit that you will understand the value of Christ's death on the Cross and your need to repent. 

If the psalm was not the verses your were talking about would you please cite the verse you were speaking of and also do the same with the chariots so that we can be on the same page. That way you won't be reading things that don't pertain to what you spoke about and I won't be guessing about what you are talking about.

Lastly for now, just because people can't agree doesn't mean the Bible isn't true. I am in a study now where I am with christians for different denominations who view thing or interpret things differently than I do. It doesn't stop them from being christian because we agree on the essentials. It can't stop the truth from being true. It doesn't make divisions with me and them because we don't major on the minor element of the Bible.

This right here is a pretty extensive list of genocides in the Bible that Gaud either performs or commands, and I doubt it's all-inclusive.  It even has the verses listed and linked so you can check them out yourself.


The one in Numbers is my favorite, as it contains the caveat that the Israelites must kill all the grown men, grown women, and male children, but they get to keep the young, virgin girls for themselves. Gee, I wonder what that was for.


My disbelief has nothing to do with what I want to believe and everything to do with what evidence there is. Unlike you, I can't just decide to believe something because I think it sounds nice or because I'm scared to die.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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I wanted to give you a full response to your answers so that is why the post was so long.  I apologize for the font. I knew better when I posted it but didn't take the time to change it.

Although, I don't know what that has to do with the content of the post. Also I can't say that I am trying to impress you. If that were so I would not be talking about Jesus. I also know I personally can't convince you of anything that I say about God. You don't want to believe in Him so there I nothing I could do to make you change your mind. Your problem isn't that you don't have enough information it that you need a new heart. You know, since you studied it,  that the word of God says you are dead in your sins and need to be brought from death to life. You are blind to the things of God and it is only through the Holy Spirit that you will understand the value of Christ's death on the Cross and your need to repent. 

If the psalm was not the verses your were talking about would you please cite the verse you were speaking of and also do the same with the chariots so that we can be on the same page. That way you won't be reading things that don't pertain to what you spoke about and I won't be guessing about what you are talking about.

Lastly for now, just because people can't agree doesn't mean the Bible isn't true. I am in a study now where I am with christians for different denominations who view thing or interpret things differently than I do. It doesn't stop them from being christian because we agree on the essentials. It can't stop the truth from being true. It doesn't make divisions with me and them because we don't major on the minor element of the Bible.

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This right here is a pretty extensive list of genocides in the Bible that Gaud either performs or commands, and I doubt it's all-inclusive.  It even has the verses listed and linked so you can check them out yourself.


The one in Numbers is my favorite, as it contains the caveat that the Israelites must kill all the grown men, grown women, and male children, but they get to keep the young, virgin girls for themselves. Gee, I wonder what that was for.


My disbelief has nothing to do with what I want to believe and everything to do with what evidence there is. Unlike you, I can't just decide to believe something because I think it sounds nice or because I'm scared to die.

The Israelites = the original ISIS.

[Rekeisha]

I wanted to give you a full response to your answers so that is why the post was so long.  I apologize for the font. I knew better when I posted it but didn't take the time to change it.

Although, I don't know what that has to do with the content of the post. Also I can't say that I am trying to impress you. If that were so I would not be talking about Jesus. I also know I personally can't convince you of anything that I say about God. You don't want to believe in Him so there I nothing I could do to make you change your mind. Your problem isn't that you don't have enough information it that you need a new heart. You know, since you studied it,  that the word of God says you are dead in your sins and need to be brought from death to life. You are blind to the things of God and it is only through the Holy Spirit that you will understand the value of Christ's death on the Cross and your need to repent. 

If the psalm was not the verses your were talking about would you please cite the verse you were speaking of and also do the same with the chariots so that we can be on the same page. That way you won't be reading things that don't pertain to what you spoke about and I won't be guessing about what you are talking about.

Lastly for now, just because people can't agree doesn't mean the Bible isn't true. I am in a study now where I am with christians for different denominations who view thing or interpret things differently than I do. It doesn't stop them from being christian because we agree on the essentials. It can't stop the truth from being true. It doesn't make divisions with me and them because we don't major on the minor element of the Bible.

This right here is a pretty extensive list of genocides in the Bible that Gaud either performs or commands, and I doubt it's all-inclusive.  It even has the verses listed and linked so you can check them out yourself.


The one in Numbers is my favorite, as it contains the caveat that the Israelites must kill all the grown men, grown women, and male children, but they get to keep the young, virgin girls for themselves. Gee, I wonder what that was for.


My disbelief has nothing to do with what I want to believe and everything to do with what evidence there is. Unlike you, I can't just decide to believe something because I think it sounds nice or because I'm scared to die.

I have seen the list you linked to and before I comment on them why do you believe that you have enough information about God to judge him and what he is actually doing?

[Redbeard The Pink]

This right here is a pretty extensive list of genocides in the Bible that Gaud either performs or commands, and I doubt it's all-inclusive.  It even has the verses listed and linked so you can check them out yourself.


The one in Numbers is my favorite, as it contains the caveat that the Israelites must kill all the grown men, grown women, and male children, but they get to keep the young, virgin girls for themselves. Gee, I wonder what that was for.


My disbelief has nothing to do with what I want to believe and everything to do with what evidence there is. Unlike you, I can't just decide to believe something because I think it sounds nice or because I'm scared to die.

I have seen the list you linked to and before I comment on them why do you believe that you have enough information about God to judge him and what he is actually doing?

Because I studied Christianity as a devout believer for over 20 years before realizing it was bullshit.


An all-good, all-loving Gaud would not command the seizure and rape of a whole nation of virgin girls. There is no scenario where that behavior equals love, even for someone who "works in mysterious ways."


If you can convince yourself that such a thing must be moral just because Gaud did it and that he really still loves us even though his book says he likes to kill us in droves and have us raped, then I shudder to think what kind of men you must involve yourself with.

[Rekeisha]

I have seen the list you linked to and before I comment on them why do you believe that you have enough information about God to judge him and what he is actually doing?

Because I studied Christianity as a devout believer for over 20 years before realizing it was bullshit.


An all-good, all-loving Gaud would not command the seizure and rape of a whole nation of virgin girls. There is no scenario where that behavior equals love, even for someone who "works in mysterious ways."


If you can convince yourself that such a thing must be moral just because Gaud did it and that he really still loves us even though his book says he likes to kill us in droves and have us raped, then I shudder to think what kind of men you must involve yourself with.

Can you quote me the verse where it says that He likes to kill us in droves and have us raped.