The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Divinity I believe all of the bible because Christianity doesn't work if you pick and choose. Chrisitany isn't about comfort or making others feel good about themselves it is about Jesus. It has always been about Jesus that is why it is call Christianity. Every word He has said, wither it goes with or against the norms of society, is to be followed. It is also a matter of integrity if you are going to follow Jesus that means following everything.

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Whateverist the White I can't convince any of you that God exist that isn't my job. My Job or mission is to tell you and others about the gospel.

It cost me not because I have to be in your company but because the things that God calls me to are not always easy and I have to give up my control to allow Him to reign and rule my life. He knows what He is doing but at times I don't fully trust Him. The dieing to self is not a theory but an actual command. Instead of cursing I am called to bless. Instead of seeking my rights I am called to give up my self interest for others. The process of being changed from self-centered to God centered is not easy. I couldn't and wouldn't do it without the grace of God. I would rather not argue about abiogenesis or wither someone is real or not. When life starts, if the bible is full of lies or if God is evil. I would just love to wake up and laze around the house and enjoy my kids and husband. Still, that isn't what I am called to do. People are perishing and seeking my own comfort wold be an evil thing to do in light of what I know.

Readbeard the Pink usually what I say is what I mean. If I wanted to point to the fact that you have faith like I do I would have simply stated it. I was really getting at the double standard I find in some of your arguments. When I was speaking of lifestyle I was just saying the life style that neglects God. If we are talking about comparing a human to a human I don't know you well enough to say how good or bad you are. When I look at myself in light of Jesus I fall short. He is good and I am not. Peoples' standards of what good and bad are don't matter because in the end there will be a judgment and if I were to stand on my own merit in front of God I would be condemned for my actions.

I hear that you don't believe because of the evidence that you have found. That you said that you have had to do mental gymnastics. I don't know how you were brought up or what you believe so I can't say wither or not it was grounded in biblical faith. I do know that no argument will shake my knowledge of God. You all on the forum my just think I am another religious nut but my relationship with God transcends religion. Take all the books and ceremonies away and the relationship I have with God still stands. I know He died for my sins and rose on the third day with all power and authority. I know Him and that relationship isn't a theory but a personal thing where He is directing me to move from my country or speak to a certain person or pray for a certain thing. These are things not found in the bible but are real.

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Jesus plainly said that he came only for the Jews.  So why do you think he came for you if you aren't a Jew?  It seems that you're calling him a liar (he was but that's beside the point).  

Matthew 15:24 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...JV;WEB;CEV

Hebrews 2:16 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEV

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Ambiogensis hasn't been scientifically proven and you believe it yet you don't believe the Bible (even though it has more evidence backing it up) because it isn't scientifically proven. I think you have a double standard. If you come to the Fossil records with the wrong foundation your conclusions will be wrong. If you do not want to admit you are a sinner and in need of God's salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ then you will find other ways to justify you current lifestyle.

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So to Whateverist the White it is not that it has nothing to do with my background and everything to do with my God. I just was in Ireland and I have meet people who lived in religions what were not Christian at all and because Christian out of that. There are very few who actually believe in God in that city. There are also people who have grown up in Christian families who do not believe. I know that God give us revelations about Himself and what we do with it is our responsibility. I don't know how many Christians are on this website but you have been given light through our testimonies, even though we are not perfect. Our message is simple but costly. Your are a sinner and on your way to hell. Jesus came and died and was resurrected. You need to repent and accept his death and put your faith in Him as your Lord and Savior. This mean turning from you old life and following after Him. This is a free gift and you can not earn it. Why most people don't do it is because they don't want God they would rather lie to themselves and live as though there is not God or make up their own. God sent people to tell the truth but you are free to believe or divisible. God isn't going to force you to be with Him but He will give you every opportunity you need to believe.

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Most modern people know how stars and planets form.  So you take a planet such as Earth that was formed by natural processes and it's devoid of life.  Then, over eons, life starts and replicates and changes into all kinds of creatures and various forms.  

Your position seems to be that some magical celestial creature called God dropped by Earth and tossed all kinds of organisms around the globe.  Now that might make sense to someone who lived 12,000 years ago but it sounds like superstitious BS to modern people in the year 2015.  

At this very instance there are no new stars or planets being created in our solar system.  But we do know have they came about eons ago.  And while the spark that caused the abiogenesis process to start it did happen, just as the sun was formed from hydrogen atoms and went nuclear.  

There is no celestial God flittering around the universe creating life.  It's just a natural process that happens under the right conditions.  And once those conditions change, as happened on Earth, the abiogenesis process can no longer function.  That's why we only have one sun.  It used up the available hydrogen.

[Rhondazvous]

Ambiogensis hasn't been scientifically proven and you believe it yet you don't believe the Bible (even though it has more evidence backing it up) because it isn't scientifically proven. I think you have a double standard. If you come to the Fossil records with the wrong foundation your conclusions will be wrong. If you do not want to admit you are a sinner and in need of God's salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ then you will find other ways to justify you current lifestyle.

So to Whateverist the White it is not that it has nothing to do with my background and everything to do with my God. I just was in Ireland and I have meet people who lived in religions what were not Christian at all and because Christian out of that. There are very few who actually believe in God in that city. There are also people who have grown up in Christian families who do not believe. I know that God give us revelations about Himself and what we do with it is our responsibility. I don't know how many Christians are on this website but you have been given light through our testimonies, even though we are not perfect. Our message is simple but costly. Your are a sinner and on your way to hell. Jesus came and died and was resurrected. You need to repent and accept his death and put your faith in Him as your Lord and Savior. This mean turning from you old life and following after Him. This is a free gift and you can not earn it. Why most people don't do it is because they don't want God they would rather lie to themselves and live as though there is not God or make up their own. God sent people to tell the truth but you are free to believe or divisible. God isn't going to force you to be with Him but He will give you every opportunity you need to believe.

Evidence backing up the Bible? Show me the evidence that backs up god creating the grass and trees before he created the sun and the moon? The church has known for over 500 years that the Genesis creation story bears not the slightest resemblance to the universe we live in. In fact, there is no universe in Genesis. Just the Earth and the sun and moon and stars right here in the Earth's atmosphere. And you have evidence, say pictures from the Hubble to prove Genesis is true?

The prophecies? Is that your evidence? Well, the beautiful princess really did prick her finger and fall asleep for 100 years, just like the good fairy said she would. so Sleeping Beauty must be true.

[IATIA]

At this very instance there are no new stars or planets being created in our solar system.

Are you sure?

The core is roughly spherical, with filaments of gas falling onto it at nearly 2,000 m.p.h. (3,200 k/h), bulking it up more every second. The proto-star is cold now, but as it continues to compress under its own gravity, it will become so dense and hot that it bursts into nuclear fire. The resulting heat and radiation will drive off much of the surrounding gas before it can become part of the newborn star.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

At this very instance there are no new stars or planets being created in our solar system.

Are you sure?

The core is roughly spherical, with filaments of gas falling onto it at nearly 2,000 m.p.h. (3,200 k/h), bulking it up more every second. The proto-star is cold now, but as it continues to compress under its own gravity, it will become so dense and hot that it bursts into nuclear fire. The resulting heat and radiation will drive off much of the surrounding gas before it can become part of the newborn star.

Is that process happening in our solar system?  No, it isn't.  The article you cited is about what's happening elsewhere in our galaxy.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

As a biologist, I'm most fond of the fact that Genesis mistakenly tells the story of how "clever" young Jacob was for "knowing" what we today call Lamarckism, a debunked idea of how species changed to fit their environment, in Genesis 30:25-43.

It's what everyone used to think before Mendel discovered genetics. Oops!

Not so clever, God, letting your "divine inspiration" tell the authors of Genesis something that is completely false, by way of explaining how Jacob became prosperous in order to set up the stories at the end of Genesis. Tsk tsk.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Jacob, one of the biggest liars and thieves in the Bible.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Don't give a crap if Jacob was a liar or a thief; I DO have a problem with those who claim the author(s) of Genesis were "inspired by Gawd" to Reveal The Ultimate Truth About The Origin Of The Universe™, which we may not question, apparently... and yet it's sooo blatantly false in so many places. Either they didn't really hear from God, or God doesn't know WTF He's talking about, because they didn't know what they were talking about when they wrote the testable parts of Genesis.

What I can't figure out is why it doesn't bother Christians to observe that their Creator of the Universe doesn't seem to know more than a Bronze Age desert tribal sheepherder people did.

[Rekeisha]

You say you know these things. How?

By the revelation of God. When I met God I didn't have any expectations of who He was or who He should be. When He told me about himself I accepted it and what He told me about Himself I have never found to be a lie. I have had some faulty ideas of who I thought He was but that was my fault and He has corrected me. There was a time when I was thinking about the trinity and how it worked and God said, "That is not who I am" not that He wasn't a triune God but the way I was think about the trinity was incorrect. God actually wants you to know Him not just about Him. With sin in the way we can not have a relationship with God. That is one of the reasons why He died and rose for the payment of our sins. When a person repent accept His payment for his/her sins and make God his/her Lord and Savior then there can be a formulation of a relationship.

[Rekeisha]

There's not a single thing written by Jesus.  Not a single one.  So I'm not sure how you can be so sure that everything they said he said is what he actually said.  Especially since most of them aren't even fucking first hand accounts.

By revelation from God. When I meet God my parents sporadically took us to church, I didn't read the bible and my family didn't read it to me. The only reason I believe what the bible says is because I know who God is. God is the foundation of my faith not the Bible. Now don't get me wrong I believe what the Bible says, but only because it is backed up by my revelation of God.