The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[robvalue]

No, you failed. That was the True Christian™ test (part 1). Being a True Christian is about following the bible literally and exactly.

Don't feel bad. It's an impossible task.

I'll inform Jesus.

[Cyberman]

Can you remember how to scroll up through the posts?

Which on the on before this or one even further up?

How about the one you quoted in the post you made immediately before my complaint?

Note that this is a common deflection tactic used by people playing for time in the hope that the other person will give up out of frustration. If that's what you're doing, forget it.

[robvalue]

Jesus said I have to find one True Christian™ to redeem myself.

I'm not feeling hopeful.

[Whateverist]

---

Maybe I should start telling people who is and isn't a true Christian.

Let's get started.

Who has eaten shrimp?
Who has worn clothes made of more than one fabric?
Who has a tattoo?
Who has worked on a Sunday?

That's just round 1. How many have I ousted so far?

---

A christian is not one because of the dos and don'ts they have preforemed. A christian is someone who has accepted Christ death and ressurection for their sins.

Unless they later change their mind and abandon their faith.  In that event it will turn out that their former acceptance of Christ was counterfeit and they had never actually been a Christian at all.

You might want to change your definition of a Christian to: "A christian is someone who continues right up till they die to accept Christ's death and ressurection for their sins."

[robvalue]

Arguing theology is so easy! It's actually remarkably similar to our "last person to post wins" thread.

[vorlon13]

Maybe I should start telling people who is and isn't a true Christian.

Let's get started.

Who has eaten shrimp?
Who has worn clothes made of more than one fabric?
Who has a tattoo?
Who has worked on a Sunday?

That's just round 1. How many have I ousted so far?

A small point:

Sabbath is sunset Friday till sunset Saturday.

One more thing the Christers have fucked up and pissed off God over.  Sons of bitches, they don't even go to church on the right day of the week.  Even the Seventh Day Adventists are off an average of 12 hours.  Why fucking change at all if you're not willing to change to the correct fucking answer ??

[robvalue]

Well spotted! Of course, there is always one deliberate mistake per round

You win today's star prize! 3 days shut in a tomb with dead Jesus.

[Redbeard The Pink]

What's really mind-boggling about all of this, Rekeisha, is that you want us to take your personal experience as evidence of your claims and accept your personal testimony about what you believe, but you won't accept our personal testimony about what we believed and felt while we were Christians, and you wouldn't accept the personal testimony, visions, prophecies, miracles, or texts of other religions as evidence of their claims. It's pure hypocrisy.


Your religion is not the only one where people feel their prayers have been answered. There are whole scientific studies devoted to prayer, and what science finds is that it has no impact on what a person actually experiences, only how they perceive what they experience. Theists experience and survive hardship and illness at the same rate as the rest of the human population, with or without prayer.


Your religion is not the only one with prophets who see visions and relate the words of their respective deities. All religions have visions and prophecies, and all those visions and prophecies have roughly the same success rate as Christian ones (which is to say their success rate is appallingly low).


Your religion is not the only one that claims miraculous behavior concerning their mythical characters. Various religions make claims about ancient and modern miracles (mostly faith-healings and various deities showing up in stains and toast burns and shit). They all have the same level of evidence (which is to say none), and they all have the same general theme in terms of the gods being much, much more obvious and powerful when there are no cameras and scientists around to see them do this shit, then once modern documentation shows up all they can do is show up in paint spills and use the placebo effect to make people feel a little better while they get over a cold. What, did they all start running out of magic points or something?


Your religion is not the only one whose adherents claim scientific revelation and accuracy in its texts. Muslims are particularly well known for trying to do the same gymnastics with the Koran, and it all amounts to force-fitting texts to science under the presupposition that the Bible is true.



Your religion is not the only one whose adherents insist that their personal experience, perception, revelations, and testimony should be accepted as evidence of the claims they believe. Every religion does that. Every single religion says, "Oh, you just have to experience this for yourself, and then you'll know, and if you don't believe it, you haven't truly experienced it." Every...fucking...religion...does this.


If you applied your current standard of evidence to all the other religions, you would believe in all those, too. You don't, though. You only apply that standard of evidence to other religions and to atheism, while reserving your own beliefs as a special case because it's your own personal experience it's based on and not someone else's. You're a hypocrite.


Sin is not real. Your Gaud is not real. He cannot save you or me because he does not exist, and there is no Hell to save us from.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Redbeard, that outstanding analysis deserves a waffle. It's not a Welcome Waffle™... it's just tasty-and-good.

A blue waffle for my pink brother-in-intellect:

---

If I dress up like a man that doesn't make me a man. Being in a group doesn't make you a part of the group. You may feel as though your statments are in cinflict with my belifea but they are not. A christian is someone who knows God and has accepted His death and resserrction on the cross. If you never had a relationship with Him then you were never a christian.

We're trying to tell you exactly that, Rekeisha.

We weren't just "members of a group". We really believed, as firmly as you did, that we were "in a relationship with Jesus Christ, our Savior". We spread the Gospel of the death and resurrection to others, as commanded in the Great Commission. Heck, Redbeard got a giant cross tattoo, as many of the True Believers™ do.

For you to tell us that we were never Christians is deeply insulting and frankly, it makes you a jerk to even think it.

We believed as you do. Now we do not. Get over it, swallow some pride, and get over yourself.

[robvalue]

Also, no one is interested in my "personal experience" of 38 solid years on this planet without seeing the slightest whiff of anything magical, let alone a god or its work.

All I see is stuff happening, and people pointing to it and saying, "X did it!" where X is their favourite imaginary character. I share the same world as them, so if all these things are supposedly happening, I would have seen one by now.

I see people desperately opposing well established scientific theory, even trying to stop it being taught in school, because it contradicts a ridiculous narrative that they cling to.