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The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
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 (September 26, 2015 at 10:56 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(September 26, 2015 at 10:35 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Adam and Eve did sin but it wasn't enough to derail the plan God had in place. He has always wanted to live with His people and He will. The king of Tyre lived in the Garden of Eden. Maybe the king was Adam? 
You know, I've been thinking about it, and it truly pisses me off.
They slap these "PROOFS" down on the table like an "I WIN!" trump-card, expecting us to bow before the Ultimate Proof™ of their beliefs, to turn away from our atheism because it is Undeniable, Ultimate Proof... but then when it fails, they just pretend they didn't say it. It's like, "No, wait a minute. You wanted to talk about this. You expected me to Get Saved™ over this proof you offered. Now that I've shown your Bible totally fucked that one off, you want to pretend you didn't say it? No! No no no. Hey, come back here..."
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. 
Mistranslation! Needs interpretation! Has to be read in the context of a psychotic barbarian with a goat! Corrupted by man! Corrupted by Satan! Jesus removed that bit! God wasn't concentrating that day! Stop asking questions!
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (September 26, 2015 at 11:04 am)Rekeisha Wrote: You think because it is unchristian it is is unbiased? In short, yes. To have even a slim chance of getting accurate information when it comes to science regarding the Bible, you pretty much have to be dealing with people who are not working from the presupposition that the Bible is either true or false. Because it seems that Christians are practically unable to free themselves of their presuppositions for even a moment, it seems that a non-christian source is required to corroborate virtually every source of "christian science" in existence. The Bible says that Nebuchadnezzar would turn Tyre into a bare rock, never to be rebuilt, and that didn't happen. The prophecy is very specific, and it specifically failed, just like everything else in that link I provided. Fulfilled prophecies are not evidence for the Bible because there are no fulfilled Bible prophecies. If you want to believe something for which there is no evidence, that's up to you I guess, but it's dishonest to claim that you believe it because of any kind of evidence. You don't. You believe it because of faith and nothing else, and faith is the most intellectually dishonest position it's possible to hold. If you continue in this ignorance and dishonesty, you will go to your grave having never experienced reality as it truly is. To save yourself from this fate, you must accept reality and turn from your superstition so you can begin a personal relationship with reality. I'm just here to tell the truth.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42) Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com (September 26, 2015 at 11:04 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(September 26, 2015 at 10:50 am)Rekeisha Wrote: The truth is the truth. Your situation hasn't changed so the solution to your sin hasn't changed either. Jesus the son of God came down out of his great love and mercy to defeat sin and death through his death and resurrection. You can live with Him by accepting His death for your sins. Or you can cling to your sin and be removed with it when Jesus comes to judge all man kind. You can keep posting your propaganda against the truth if you wish but I will continue to tell you the truth. By your response I am beginning to believe that you don't have any better ideas to counter the truth with. Is my argumentation so good that you feel the need to plagiarize? Also your use of the cult mantra is weak. Who is my cult leader? Who am I telling you has the corner on the truth? I will let you know it isn't me it is Jesus Christ. I don't want to point you to anyone else but God. No one has to go through anyone else to speak to God. I know I am a sinner and I know who God is and that He died for my sins and now I am forgiven and able to deal with all of life because He is my foundation. He can do the same for you and you can speak to Him about it. (September 27, 2015 at 8:53 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(September 26, 2015 at 11:04 am)Rekeisha Wrote: You think because it is unchristian it is is unbiased? I think it is humorous that you believe that people are unbiased. We all have a biased and want our own agendas and a true Christian's agenda has change to God's agenda. Also a bias can't stop the truth from coming out. It is a myth that believe that people are unbiased or that you can't get the truth from people who are unbiased. Could it be possible that you bias view point will stop you from getting the truth? Why don't you fact check my website. You fact checked your right? RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 27, 2015 at 10:53 am
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(September 27, 2015 at 10:26 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I think it is humorous that you believe that people are unbiased. We all have a biased and want our own agendas and a true Christian's agenda has change to God's agenda. Also a bias can't stop the truth from coming out. It is a myth that believe that people are unbiased or that you can't get the truth from people who are unbiased. Could it be possible that you bias view point will stop you from getting the truth? Why don't you fact check my website. You fact checked your right? I believe it's possible for people to look at things without a presupposed bias, and I think it's possible for humans to construct methods of gaining information which are specifically designed to account for and negate the fact that human faculties tend to work from confirmation bias. These methods are called science. Confirmation bias is one of the reasons science exists; individual human experience and perception is a terrible benchmark for figuring out what's true about the world, so humans have had to devise ways of figuring out what parts of reality are actually reality and what parts of reality only exist in the minds of certain humans. Your Gaud, as it turns out, falls into that second category. There are perfectly scientific, rational explanations for why people of all faiths experience answers to prayer, visions, prophecies, and even miracles, and Occam's Razor dictates you must use evidence to rule out these simpler explanations before moving on to the absurd and untestable hypothesis, "Gaud did it with his magic." Oh, and Rocket wasn't plagiarizing your argument because it was good. He was showing you how terrible it is by demonstrating that it works with any god (or anything, really) that you plug into the bolded spots. It could have just as easily looked like this: Quote:The truth is the truth. Your situation hasn't changed so the solution to your sin hasn't changed either. Or this: Quote:The truth is the truth. Your situation hasn't changed so the solution to your sin hasn't changed either. My Dick the son of My Dad's Dick came down out of his great love and mercy to defeat sin and death through blasting it on the walls and floor. You can live with Him by accepting His stains on the wall. Or you can cling to your sin and be removed with it when My Dick comes to judge all man kind. You can keep posting your propaganda against the truth if you wish but I will continue to tell you the truth. It has the exact same veracity regardless of what goes in that slot. You're just making assertions and threatening eternal violence as the consequence and sole reason for belief. Cult, cult cult.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42) Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com  Quote:now I am forgiven and able to deal with all of life because He is my foundation. Really? Well, Ceiling Cat is my blusher.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(September 27, 2015 at 10:09 am)Rekeisha Wrote:(September 26, 2015 at 11:04 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: The truth is the truth. Your situation hasn't changed so the solution to your sin hasn't changed either. Mithras the son of Ahura Mazda came down out of his great love and mercy to defeat sin and death through his death and resurrection. You can live with Him by accepting His death for your sins. Or you can cling to your sin and be removed with it when Mithras comes to judge all man kind. You can keep posting your propaganda against the truth if you wish but I will continue to tell you the truth. As Redbeard was already kind enough to point out, I was just showing you that what you wrote to me was the same no matter what cult deity (or whatever) was plugged into the places where you named your own. You think you are telling us Deep Thoughts™, but in reality, it's just mindless babble of the kind that tends to come out of people who've wacked their brains out by absorbing cult thinking. That's the "mantra", which you repeat without really thinking about it. I like that you ask who your cult leader is, and then NAME the cult leader. I know you think Jesus is God the way the Branch Davidians thought David Koresh was god, but that's how cults work. Charismatic leader becomes deified. The fact that you can't spot the similarities, even when they are being spoken to your face, is why I say your brain is gone, rotted out by the total, blind acceptance of what you've taken in as The One Right Way™. You should also really listen to Redbeard's point about using methodologies to weed out personal bias in evaluating information. Even Biblical scholarship (the real kind, not the sort you get from fundamentalist universities who say, "I know the Bible is true, so I did some research...", which is the opposite of what I'm talking about) uses the method to investigate. If you bother to look outside of your literalist group-think, you'll be able to find lots of Christians who criticize the literalism of the Bible, who are evolutionary biologists (including my fiancee, by the way), and who will explain to you why what we're telling you is reality. It doesn't mean giving up the faith, but it does mean that you have uncritically swallowed some things that are demonstrably untrue.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. |
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