The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[vorlon13]

. . . and curiously, His followers seem to find the avoidance of ETERNAL INFINITE and EXCRUCIATING TORMENT insufficient and employ all manner of mental gymnastics to assert Jesus personally intervened to help them find their car keys (they were in the ignition), glasses (on the sink in the bathroom) and their cell phone (on the charger) during the course of His extremely busy day.

[Joods]

. . . and curiously, His followers seem to find the avoidance of ETERNAL INFINITE and EXCRUCIATING TORMENT insufficient and employ all manner of mental gymnastics to assert Jesus personally intervened to help them find their car keys (they were in the ignition), glasses (on the sink in the bathroom) and their cell phone (on the charger) during the course of His extremely busy day.

Yep... he specifically to time to "help" them with all that while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of people starving or dying of diseases and other illnesses. 

He sure has his priorities in order.

[drfuzzy]

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You have a point. I should probably take Redbeard's high road and refuse to return your judgments and insults with like behavior.  It is sometimes difficult to turn the other cheek when a person's behavior is constantly vile, like yours.

I don't believe that god exists.  I have most of the wholly babble memorized. Slinging verses my way is a waste of time. Judging me as prideful, prejudiced, deluded and arrogant does not provide proof of god's existence.  Insults are counter-productive, they drive people away.  

And that's why I insulted you.  I hope you go away.  You haven't proven a single sentence in all of your posts. You just keep repeating the same stupid drivel when faced with an intelligent and gentle debater.  And then you attack his intellect and character, using your silly book and your imaginary friend to bash someone else just to make yourself feel superior.  

You know what?  You're so good at this witnessing thing, we should hire you.  You could be the best atheist creator on the planet!

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It is always difficult to turn the other cheek, in fact in your own strength it is just behavior modification you still hate the person. You can only live out the things that Jesus commands in the bible, like turning the other cheek, in the power of the Holy Spirit. I understand your interpretation of my words sound hateful and annoying. I am not sure if there is anything I could do that would change that. ( I am honestly unsure if I should change them or not). If you live in America we are so concerned about the individual that we have made it difficult for anyone to speak the truth about our behaviour to us. Speaking from experience I know it is hard to be criticized and it is hard to see what you don't want to see.

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 I am not on here because I though "hey today I am going to go torment a group of people on the internet!" I have better things to do than to make people mad.

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The deal is no matter what you believe I know that you are worth talking to and worth contending for. You are an amazing creation of God and He paid an infinite price so that you may enjoy Him . I not going to pretend to be great at witnessing. I am not going to pretend that what you do and say about God is ok. I am seeking to live in the truth, enjoy God and glorify Him. Part of being a witness is not saving anyone but pointing out Jesus. I can't save you only God can.

You should be concerned the fact that you ascribe to something, but you don't live it out. You say that it is wrong to judge but since you want to be rid of me you break your own standards. Trying harder isn't going to work because one day someone like me or worst is going to show up and what you truly believe (not what you say you believe) will come out. I am not going to sit here and pretend that I got it all together or that I don't break God's standards. The difference is that I have accepted my need and gone to the only one that can help. 

You say that pride, arrogance are not proof of God but they are. If we stick to evolution pride and arrogance would seem to be a beneficial attribute but why do people hate it so much? Why, do we become so offended? It is because we have been given an innate standard from God. 

As for me being an atheist making machine, you were an atheist before I showed up I haven't made more since I have been here. There isn't anyone amazed at my atheist making skills. I am just on one thread on one website. If you don't like what I have to say you don't have to read it. You don't have to respond.

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"I am not going to pretend that what you do and say about God is ok." If gawd is offended, let gawd tell me.  I'm not going to accept it from a human being, and it's none of your business.  And my behavior, and my beliefs, are also none of your business.  

You're not here to torment people on the internet?  Of course you are.  You're here to tell us how YOUR delusions are the only correct delusions, and how YOU'RE right and we're all wrong, and how we NEED your imaginary friend and your church.  And you're certainly not "glorifying god" when you're telling complete strangers about all of the things that they don't understand, and accusing them of pride and arrogance and prejudice. It doesn't matter what faults I have - they are mine, and you are WAY out of line when you presume to try to tell me what you think they are.

You're here because you think your imaginary friend is going to change our minds. You're only one of thousands who have tried and failed.  It gets irritating after a while, having people shove their fantasies in your face and insist that you agree with them because they've said it 1000 times.  You wouldn't like it if we walked into your church and started putting over 600 Bible contradictions up on a big screen and demanding that you sit there and pay attention.  No, you would throw us out.  But we have to deal with assholes like you every day.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

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[Rhondazvous]

And if following Jesus ever did 'work', it would only 'work' for folks that follow the One True Faith to the letter, no slackers would ever measure up to accrue the benefit of His lordly grace.

And other than an ability to speak in tongues, heal the sick via the laying on of the hands, being impervious to poison and invulnerable to snakebite, looks like there isn't much Jesus can do for you while you're on earth, the big payoff occurs in avoiding

ETERNAL INFINITE and EXCRUCIATING TORMENT.

Yes, he said everybody who calls him lord lord will not enter his kingdom. But if you're not a Jew, how do you obey a guy who said he came only for the Jews and told his disciples that the reason he spoke in parables was so that outsiders would not understand and be saved?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

And if following Jesus ever did 'work', it would only 'work' for folks that follow the One True Faith to the letter, no slackers would ever measure up to accrue the benefit of His lordly grace.

And other than an ability to speak in tongues, heal the sick via the laying on of the hands, being impervious to poison and invulnerable to snakebite, looks like there isn't much Jesus can do for you while you're on earth, the big payoff occurs in avoiding

ETERNAL INFINITE and EXCRUCIATING TORMENT.

Yes, he said everybody who calls him lord lord will not enter his kingdom. But if you're not a Jew, how do you obey a guy who said he came only for the Jews and told his disciples that the reason he spoke in parables was so that outsiders would not understand and be saved?

Technically, what he said was "NOT everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven". Not trying to disrespect you, but if we're going to attack them, it must be on the merits.