The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[FatAndFaithless]

What the hell kind of question is that? If we don't have leprechauns why do we have the concept of leprechauns?

[Chad32]

So if nothing is perfect why do we even have the concept of perfection.

Some people can be practically perfect in some ways. Something is perfect when it meets every criteria someone thinks it should meet. That's why we have a concept of it. In some ways perfection can be subjective, I suppose. You call your god perfect, despite the fact that he can't figure out how to get everyone to do what he wants them to do. He can't even keep all of the people who want to follow him from killing each other over how to worship him, never mind all the people who don't believe he exists or is worth worshiping.

[Iroscato]

So if nothing is perfect why do we even have the concept of perfection.

Because we have imagination, enabled by our extremely advanced brains.
You seem to have trouble grasping one of the key elements of the argument as well. If somebody does not believe in God, God will allow them to BURN FOR ETERNITY. That is not the action of a loving being. That is the action of an evil being. But please, try and justify it, it will amuse me

[TheRealJoeFish]

Some people can be practically perfect in some ways. Something is perfect when it meets every criteria someone thinks it should meet. That's why we have a concept of it. In some ways perfection can be subjective, I suppose. You call your god perfect, despite the fact that he can't figure out how to get everyone to do what he wants them to do. He can't even keep all of the people who want to follow him from killing each other over how to worship him, never mind all the people who don't believe he exists or is worth worshiping.

Mary Poppins was practically perfect in every way.

[Joshua martin pryce]

Jesus does act better than Yahweh. Which really isn't saying a whole lot. It's like saying guy A is an asshole, but at least he's not a complete psychopath like guy B is. Although you still have people saying guy A is guy B showing his nicer side. Which in the end still isn't all that great.

atheists naturally say god is evil, they dont pay attention to his message and dont study and how he actually carried out his justice and why he carried it. they just see killing and say god is evil. people were more rebellious in "god the father time" jesus was also around as the angel of the lord according to research. i used to think the same thing until i reasearched it. do your research is your very skeptical about gods mercy. i do think he has high standards. but hed have to they were the first "christians" they would form descendents who should follow god. god had to keep reminding them to follow him through time and trust me it must have been a headache for him.

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Some people can be practically perfect in some ways. Something is perfect when it meets every criteria someone thinks it should meet. That's why we have a concept of it. In some ways perfection can be subjective, I suppose. You call your god perfect, despite the fact that he can't figure out how to get everyone to do what he wants them to do. He can't even keep all of the people who want to follow him from killing each other over how to worship him, never mind all the people who don't believe he exists or is worth worshiping.

Mary Poppins was practically perfect in every way.

were not talking about mary poppins. when you follow gods word fully you can become perfect in everyway. im sure mary werent christian and shes fantasy you follow gods word you will really be perfect. god doesnt tamper with free will and its because he want people to follow him in spirit and truth not just forced that why he allowed adam and eve to make the mistake and the existence of the devil. to want to spend eternity with him you need to really want him when everything around you says no. you say yes and then he gives you a perfect and great reward for that.

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So if nothing is perfect why do we even have the concept of perfection.

Some people can be practically perfect in some ways. Something is perfect when it meets every criteria someone thinks it should meet. That's why we have a concept of it. In some ways perfection can be subjective, I suppose. You call your god perfect, despite the fact that he can't figure out how to get everyone to do what he wants them to do. He can't even keep all of the people who want to follow him from killing each other over how to worship him, never mind all the people who don't believe he exists or is worth worshiping.

you can be perfect if you strive to follow gods law fully. nobodies perfect jesus was though. but you can be just like him of course youv sinned already but gods law then you will be perfect in his eyes and then you get rewarded for that.

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As a Christian I think it is very dangerous to pick and choose from the bible because, you are correct Mental Outlaw, the New Testament is dependent upon the Old Testament and God hasn't changed from one testament to the other. I would like to ask all of you a question. Do you not pick and choose as an atheist? You say God is evil but where are you getting your standard for what is evil? I can say something is evil because I have an absolute standard on what I base evil off of which is God and what He says about himself. So where are you getting you standard of evil from?

How about you compare what you claim God says and what God actually does in the Bible.

If you get your standards from the Bible, I fear you don't have morals that are in line with the modern world.

rekeisha does have a point god is true and he doesnt change you need to research why god di what he did your jumping to assumptions as all atheists do. i would give to the answer to your reponse but you should do your research online or visit a church.

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I think that's why some stress that you choose to go to hell. Because throwing people into a fire for eternity can't really be justified.

chad would you want someone who wants nothing to do with you to join you in heaven?!. it goes you like the devil and worship him and follow his ways dispite the fact he absolultely hates you. join him its that simple.

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I don't see the point, I classify as Christian anyone who accepts the new testament at least partially and Jesus Christ as a central figure - That's where the etymology and semantics of the word "Christian" ("Christ...") comes from - I know it's debatable and we could be here all day saying how the new and old testament work together but I think following Jesus seems like the essential message and I wouldn't call someone a Christian if they only followed the old testament

bingo!

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I'm sure that you have met some of those Christians that say they aren't like the "bad Christians" they throw out the old testament and just follow the words of nice cuddly Jesus, well that doesn't work either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3LlG6U-Uak

god the father and jesus and the holy spirit are exactly the same. their methods are sightly varied which you can use the discover their individuality as a unit and as a perosn in the trinity they all get angry at the same things, they get happy at the same things and they came together with a plan to draw people back to them in the order; they are announced is the order they work. they really love us because they want us to join them in heaven and rule with them. (i dont know over what though) they want use to have a partnership with them.

[Chad32]

Well, when you can get all the jews, christians, and muslims to agree on what exactly god's message was, please get back to me. I highly doubt you know, because people have been killing each other for thousands of years over what that message is. No matter what you want, you can find some passage in the holy books to justify it. He doesn't have high standards. He has impossible standards that can't be met, then demands us beg him to forgive us for not doing the impossible.

Did you just say Jesus' mother Mary was a fantasy? We know Yahweh tampers with free will, because it's right in Exodus. He hardens the pharoah's heart to keep him from letting Moses go before Yahweh has a chance to kill all the firstborns. I'm pretty sure killing people tampers with free will also. If you get killed for stepping out of line, you aren't free. I doubt the guy who picked up sticks on the wrong day of the week was really hurting anyone, and just needed to die because he was busy doing more important stuff the rest of that week.

If you manage to meet an impossible standard, you can be perfect too. Isn't that special?

Apparently Yahweh wants people in heaven that are just trying to avoid hell, because you can repent on your death bed. You can do whatever you want in life, as long as you remember to say a certain prayer to a certain god right before you die. The only motivation you might have to care to crack open a bible is that your death may be too sudden to do that. I hope when you gt to heaven, you remember to hang out with Jeffrey Dahmer, and also check if Hitler is up there too. He also believed in Jesus. God with Us on Nazi belt buckles, and all that. Personally I'd rather hang out with people who are trying to do good in the world, whether they worship me or not. Yahweh has different priorities, though.

[comet]

yeah, trying to be a better person and a little nicer is the worst thing ever. Love and compassion blow.

[Chad32]

I got confused by the statement about Mary earlier. Please ignore that. I was in a bit of a rush that morning.

[Joshua martin pryce]

Jesus is a dick, he created a fig tree with the limitation of only being able to produce figs at a certain time of year and then killed the tree for having that limitation.

jesus didnt grow the treee himself. he doesnt keep creating. mankind creates now but we are flawed in our creation. and its causing us to leave the real creator. we make houses food and goods dont we. adam eat off the tree of knowledge which mean we gained knowledge like god but not as good as him and we are flawed

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yeah, trying to be a better person and a little nicer is the worst thing ever.  Love and compassion blow.

being good is good but being perfect is christian

[Iroscato]

Jesus is a dick, he created a fig tree with the limitation of only being able to produce figs at a certain time of year and then killed the tree for having that limitation.

jesus didnt grow the treee himself. he doesnt keep creating. mankind creates now but we are flawed in our creation. and its causing us to leave the real creator. we make houses food and goods dont we. adam eat off the tree of knowledge which mean we gained knowledge like god but not as good as him and we are flawed

Of course we are flawed. Evolution is not perfect, all creatures are flawed in some ways. Why do you think we still have widespread back pain, or an appendix?
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