He seemed to be able to wipe entire cities off the map if he wanted to. He calls two same sex adults making love an abomination, and has someone killed for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week, but no admonishment of slavery? His priorities are skewed.

(April 24, 2015 at 4:32 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't assume it is correct, I do everything in my power to make it as likely as possible to be correct.

I don't claim absolute certainty, such a thing is a useless concept.

Are you absolutely certain that such things are useless?

I can't answer that question without risking the universe imploding due to nested paradoxes. I've grown too fond of it to see it end that way.

(March 24, 2015 at 4:47 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: As a Christian I think it is very dangerous to pick and choose from the bible because, you are correct Mental Outlaw, the New Testament is dependent upon the Old Testament and God hasn't changed from one testament to the other. I would like to ask all of you a question. Do you not pick and choose as an atheist? You say God is evil but where are you getting your standard for what is evil? I can say something is evil because I have an absolute standard on what I base evil off of which is God and what He says about himself. So where are you getting you standard of evil from?

How about you compare what you claim God says and what God actually does in the Bible.

If you get your standards from the Bible, I fear you don't have morals that are in line with the modern world.

(April 24, 2015 at 6:37 am)robvalue Wrote: Do you claim absolute certainty that your God is real, and that the morality you get from it is the best form of morality?

If so, how did you determine it is the best form of morality? And what does morality mean to you? What purpose is this morality supposed to have?

A crime against an infinite being is an infinite crime? I have no idea what an infinite being is supposed to mean, but even if God is infinite, how is a finite crime against him infinite? Isn't he big enough and ugly enough to deal with it without resorting to violence and torture?

Yes I do and I base my morality on a unchangeable all powerful all righteous all knowing God. I strive to base my morality on God and His ways and allow Him to correct me when I am wrong. The purpose of God's morality is that we love God with all of our heart mind and soul and strength and that we love our neighbors as ourselves. If we live this way there will be peace and harmony.

An infinite God has no beginning or end the depths of His knowledge, wisdom, love, understating, humility, (everything good) has no end. We will never find the end of Him.

In America it is a higher crime to abuse a person than to abuse a dog. So it is only understandable that it is a higher crime to sin against God than man.

Also God is just and sin is a crime. He can't and will not just let it slide because that would make Him unjust. That is why in His mercy He paid the penalty for us that whom ever would repent and put their trust in him would have eternal life in and through Christ Jesus.

Chad God doesn't need to change because He knows everything. He has it right so changing would be wrong.

You claim absolute certainty.

You are infallible? You cannot be deceived or mistaken?

(April 28, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Chas Wrote:

(March 24, 2015 at 4:47 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: As a Christian I think it is very dangerous to pick and choose from the bible because, you are correct Mental Outlaw, the New Testament is dependent upon the Old Testament and God hasn't changed from one testament to the other. I would like to ask all of you a question. Do you not pick and choose as an atheist? You say God is evil but where are you getting your standard for what is evil? I can say something is evil because I have an absolute standard on what I base evil off of which is God and what He says about himself. So where are you getting you standard of evil from?

How about you compare what you claim God says and what God actually does in the Bible.

If you get your standards from the Bible, I fear you don't have morals that are in line with the modern world.

I do and You are right I don't have morals that are in line with the modern world

(April 28, 2015 at 12:04 pm)robvalue Wrote: I can't answer that question without risking the universe imploding due to nested paradoxes. I've grown too fond of it to see it end that way.

Your reasoning has contradictions but you don't address them?

It was a joke.

No I'm not certain of anything. I can still have beliefs. And I believe absolute certainty is a useless concept because everyone can be mistaken or deceived. I can be wrong about that too.

Getting me to admit to solipsism then claiming to have the magic key out of it yourself is the WLC play.

Why Jesus yada, yada, yada, doesn't work ?

How the fuck can an individual follow the Jesus in 40,000 different directions at the same time ???

I don't know the WLC Play. Also I am bad with jokes I know when they are being told but most of the time miss the humor in them.

The problem with your statement is that you could be wrong about your last statement I could have a magic key. I don't I just know God and He is not magical. So my I ask why you choose that kind of thinking when it continues to break down into nonsense?