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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 12:38 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 8:41 am)professor Wrote: Hi Lemon, no I was not there for the creation of any atom or atoms.
I have done a lot of re-arranging of them into useful items (and some not so useful) as I am one who likes to make stuff.
They do not assemble themselves, by themselves.
I have total confidence in that.
But they do, in fact, self-assemble. Read a chemistry book.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 12:41 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: it's more or less a who cares, let the egg heads fight it out, and whichever egg head is left standing we will go with his 'survival of the fittest idea.'
Do you really believe that's how science is done?
If so, no wonder...
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:02 pm
h4y, yes Genesis One -"and the earth was without form and void". It does not say how it got that way, only that it was.
There is debate within the Christian community about my take on it.
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:09 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 12:15 pm)professor Wrote: The deeper we go, the more the rabbit hole dives down under us.
Complexity and inter-relations stare us in the face, so we make guesses to comfort ourselves because we LIKE to have answers.
We hate being in the dark, it is the way we are made. I think it's true that we are driven by a strong desire to know. Which makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint: the creatures who survive are the ones who decide to run when they hear the bushes rustle, while the ones who take a 'wait and see' approach may learn that it was just the wind... or run into a tiger.
But it's been centuries since people started to try to work around that limitation in human thinking, by introducing and refining the scientific method, which tries to strip away as much noise as possible in order to make learning more efficient. We added steps to the part where we "make guesses" so that the answers we end up with get closer and closer to the truth as we continue to learn.
You pray to god and then try to discern whether or not he answered your call. Then you pick up a tiny electronic device and almost immediately reach another human and have a conversation. You believe that the former works. You know that the latter does. That's the difference that only centuries of doing more than just guessing can make.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:12 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 1:02 pm)professor Wrote: There is debate within the Christian community about my take on it.
"I say it is - everyone else says it isn't."
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:12 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 1:02 pm)professor Wrote: h4y, yes Genesis One -"and the earth was without form and void". It does not say how it got that way, only that it was.
There is debate within the Christian community about my take on it.
Basic geography will pretty much destroy the genesis account. Just saying at most basic geography really does.
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:13 pm
Black adder!
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:13 pm
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(March 27, 2015 at 1:02 pm)professor Wrote: h4y, yes Genesis One -"and the earth was without form and void". It does not say how it got that way, only that it was.
There is debate within the Christian community about my take on it.
So god, who is omniscient, cast satan out of god world because satan used his free will to rebel against God, BEFORE gen 1?
God went ahead with its creation model, including free will, fully knowing before doing it that free will will also be the downfall of A&E?
And god put satan, who god knows will temp Eve, in the garden.
Is that the way you see this professor?
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:14 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 1:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: Black adder!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Do we have any creationists here?
March 27, 2015 at 1:17 pm
(March 27, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: Whatever the current evolutionary model provides.
it's more or less a who cares, let the egg heads fight it out, and whichever egg head is left standing we will go with his 'survival of the fittest idea.'
We've already established how little you know about science, Mr. "It's the year 2015 and I'm willing to state that the LHC has shown no evidence of the Higg's Boson, despite having discovered it several years earlier." 
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