General argument for Islam.

[Alex K]

[Mystic]

[Alex K]

That's not much guidance,

It's good enough for me. I don't want more guidance, I'll take it from here, thank you.

people are capable of showing some guidance but it takes a true close one to God to know exalted wisdom and share it, and that's only for way later that Deists were on the scene. I'm talking about through out history, through out time.

Any evidence for the existence of this exalted wisdom and that it actually is good for anything?

And I'm talking about thorough guidance, thorough wisdom.

and what is that and why would I want it?

The high wisdom simply doesn't exist in Deism. No one one knows it. We're all stuck in the cave with no access to it.

You've made it up. That high wisdom you seek. It's an illusion.

[professor]

Mystic, I skimmed thru your first post and a repeated concept seemed to be the goodness of people. My God states there is none who are upright, ALL have missed the mark and all are in need of repentance and redemption.
Why is the Koran diametrically opposed to what is stated in the bible?

[Alex K]

[DeadChannel]

Yeah, I was thinking about saying something, but this'll be fun.

[Mystic]

[Alex K]

As for proof of God and his beautiful Names, it lies primarily in the signs in the soul and the signs in the spiritual horizons.

I can't really make sense of that. What are the signs in the soul and the spiritual horizons and how do they prove anything?

Peace be upon you Alex K. Thanks again for the discussion.

Well, peace be upon you, too! I'm going to bed I'll read on tomorrow.

[Mystic]

Mystic, I skimmed thru your first post and a repeated concept seemed to be the goodness of people. My God states there is none who are upright, ALL have missed the mark and all are in need of repentance and redemption.
Why is the Koran diametrically opposed to what is stated in the bible?

A sin is only blameworthy if it's avoidable. It's avoidable only if it's possible not to commit it.
Therefore it's possible not to commit sins.

Besides sinless humans, are people who sinned but repented and raced in good deeds. These are righteous too.

The concept that no one is good is not inherent in humanity. We know many people are good.

I'm talking about the best of the good, those who race ahead of all in good deeds, and were never unjust. It's these people that God makes Guides.

God is such a being that there is bound to be lovers of his that are sincerely attached to him and by that attachment there will be no evil upon them.

Besides that God can create infinite souls and test them in a different realm before creating them in a form, and see how sincerely attached they are to him. This makes it bound to be souls that will be of utmost possible sincerity to him.

He can possibly be creating infinite universes with sentient life, and in each planet with sentient life, he appoints the most utmost sincere servants and sincere lovers to God that would never sin.

[professor]

I understand your concepts.
Why is the Koran totally different than the Bible which preceded it by up to thousands of years?