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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 5, 2015 at 8:41 pm
It doesn't matter if you believe in Islam, Christianity, or Bacchism, Mystic. You could interchange whatever deity or spiritual phraseology you prefer, and you'd still be saying essentially the same thing. As an atheist, I'm no less enlightened about goodness and justice than you, I just prefer terminology that relates exclusively to the world of my fellow beings and takes into consideration the last 600 years of scientific progress, rather than obfuscate by using mythology or metaphors. Plain language is more effective.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 5, 2015 at 10:39 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2015 at 10:56 pm by Mystic.)
In the introduction to "Secret of the Salah of the gnostics", there is hadith from Imam Ali where describing high servants of God that reached certainty and high state of piety, states "They are companions to this world with their bodies while their spirits are attached to/suspended on the highest place"
Another place he states "their hearts are in paradise".
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 6, 2015 at 4:57 am
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2015 at 5:03 am by jesus_wept.)
We don't even know its written there without sources. He keeps telling us all these hadith's and translations exist which agree with him but we don't actually know that they do.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 6, 2015 at 5:14 am
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2015 at 5:17 am by jesus_wept.)
Yeah but he's also told me that he has a special translation of the wisdom about beating your wife and hadith's to prove it but I haven't seen them anywhere.
But the point is that its not my job to go round researching his nonsense to see if its real or not.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 6, 2015 at 5:15 am
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The very basic problem is that I don't care about anything these books say, unless it has been objectively verified. Or happens to be some handy tip or something that I quite like. And even then, I only care about those parts and not the rest of it. I'd only view the rest as some kind of social commentary at best.
Until someone can give me a good reason to do otherwise, we're kind of stuck. I'm never going to accept supernatural claims until a method has been devised which makes it possible to test them. Right now, there isn't one. I'm certainly not going to believe them at face value from a book that happens to get a few other things right. I don't care who wrote it, when or why.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 6, 2015 at 8:11 am
Actually regarding "highest place" it should be "highest assembly" (maleal alaa).
