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Helping Christians to lose faith?
#31
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm)xmark27 Wrote: Then tell me Tonus once again why you don't believe.

Like the majority of Atheists we stopped believing once we question our faith only to find out it's not true.
Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 
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#32
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
God is extraordinary yes he is. The evidence is all around you. Isn't what is on this earth extraordinary. You don't believe because you want to see. If God made it that easy then what would be the purpose of learning? What would be the purpose of life? You live, love and die and that's it no God. Just because you have not seen does not mean you don't have to believe.
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#33
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
Would it actually be helping them? As I've pointed out before, religious practice/attendance has a positive effect on health, recognised by WHO and by the discipline of psychology.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


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#34
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 1, 2015 at 11:00 pm)xmark27 Wrote: The evidence is all around you. Isn't what is on this earth extraordinary

Except we know and have a theory how our planet came into being. We are not created by god. I pretty much went other this in another thread.
http://jwst.nasa.gov/birth.html

If god the creator of heaven hell and our universe. For one he would be violating energy conservation by removing a "soul" from our dimension putting into another.
2. god cannot be all powerful because there is no such thing as free power he is limited to how much power he can have. So going from that he would have exhausted most not if all
of his power creating 3 dimensions and the 10 science knows about. So either god used all his power and sacrificed in the process or god doesn't exist to begin with. I do not believe in god i am a naturalistic person because the idea of god creating anything is a headache to begin with and you would have to take things on faith. Science works were faith doesn't, you cannot be disappointed in science you can be disappointed in faith. 

So your argument for god falls short the evidence around us has and always will be explained with science and no mythological bull crap. 
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#35
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Aractus Wrote: As I've pointed out before, religious practice/attendance has a positive effect on health, recognised by WHO and by the discipline of psychology.

So what?  Aside from being an entirely fallacious appeal to consequence, I'd rather live a shorter life connected to the truth than live a lie.
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#36
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Aractus Wrote: Would it actually be helping them? As I've pointed out before, religious practice/attendance has a positive effect on health, recognised by WHO and by the discipline of psychology.

All it is really is having a positive attitude we should make videos and stuff with positive things on atheism and why its great to be alive. Then we get to live long and healthy. Big Grin 
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#37
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
I somethings start a conversation with my siblings about religion. I don't do it for the goal of converting them, but just to have a conversation.

FYI: all my siblings are religious, and they all know I'm not.
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#38
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
Learned well I see in the concepts of Philosophy. It is not nonsense. Science then let your science explain the perfectly designed sequence of DNA every human has. Let your Science explain how the Universe began. Let your Science explain why we have witnessed many miracles. Your Science will say I don't know but we think it happened this way or will say we don't know. You cant figure out God that easily. If you have ever done the math the chances of there being life on this planet are 1 in a trillion of a trillionth. It would be virtually impossible. We should not even be here. Everything on this earth was perfectly designed for us. We were put on the right spot from the sun. We were giving a moon in the perfect distance to control the tides. Jupiter was made gigantic to protect us from asteroids and if Jupiter were smaller then this world would have been hammered from time to time. We were giving an atmosphere. We were giving intelligence and the ability to love not by chance, but because of God. If like you say let Science prove our existence then I guarantee you that in the end your answer will be we shouldn't even exist. Nothing ever happens by chance. There is always a reason for everything. The reason behind our existence is God.
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#39
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
Science is not a religion nor my "religion".
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#40
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
No, but it is your explanation for the Universe and for humanity.
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