i believe

[C4RM5]

Thanks for explaining it.

[Brian37]

ATOMS come from the same spread of material that makes up non living things too.

You stupidly want a puppet master when none is required.

What makes the atoms that make up carbon based life are a matter of how they are shaped. The complexity that lead to life does not need a magic man anymore than lightening is explained by Thor.

ATOMS and all atoms come from the same solar formations that make up the atoms on the periodic table.

Complexity leads to bad things too. Tornados are more complex than mere wind. Hurricanes are more complex than mere clouds. Complexity also leads to cancer, and eboli and the flu virus.

A single atom is less complex than a molecule. The arrangement of those atoms lead to humans, but also bacteria that can kill you, and cancer that can kill you.

You like most believers are stuck on pretty.

99% of life that has existed is now extinct. Your falling for the current "abundance" which is only 1% of the entirety of evolution and our planet has been through 5 mass extinctions.

For every baby born there are more sperm and eggs that die and do nothing. For every tall tree you see there are far more acorns that fall to the ground and rot.

I have not lost my sense of awe by accepting that harsh reality. I still find good in life, unlike you though, I accept that reality and don't sex it up with a fictional sky hero.

[TubbyTubby]

Thanks for explaining it.

You can thank me by learning about it. The evolution of the eye is very well understood and examples of many stages through its development are known.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/selection/eye/

And the wiki entry is pretty good on the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye

Read it. Understand it.

[C4RM5]

Brian37, I accept reality

[Brian37]

Not if you reject evolution, and especially not if you think there is an invisible man in the sky required to do any of this.

Religions in reality and god claims in reality are a product of humans. The are an unfortunate product of evolution. Our species did not start out with our current knowledge. We did evolve to guess at things, the problem is we more often than not make very bad guesses and those bad guesses end up in god claims and religions.

Your belief is really you, your own desires. It is hard for most humans to accept that. But humans also at the same time have the awesome capability to question and end up with real answers. That is the good part of our evolution.

[Desert Diva]

Brian37, I accept reality

Apparently not, but honestly, it doesn't matter whether you do or not.  One of the main qualities of reality is that, unlike religion, it just keeps on being real whether you believe it or not.  Evolution, like gravity, just keeps on keeping on, even while you have your fingers stuffed in your ears going "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah."  

You don't understand how gravity actually works either (most people don't) but you accept it is true because you can observe some of its effects.  The exact same thing goes for evolution.  You don't (demonstrably) understand even the basics of how it works, but you must, if you are honest, accept it is true because you can observe some of its effects.  

[robvalue]

Even just looking at the human anatomy, it makes way more sense that it evolved over a slow process rather than was designed. There are so many stupid things wrong with it, that the designer would have to be either incompetent or just plain screwing with us to make us that way.

The work of a perfect being we are not. Accumulated errors over time causing weird shit to happen, tubes going the long way round, defunct organs and junk DNA? Check.

Even with the false dichotomy of God vs evolution, you have to deny reality to pick God, if you have even a tiny understanding of evolution. Or else you're saying God is useless or dicking around.

[Brian37]

Unfortunately like most humans, our theist friend here is doing two things. Getting stuck on pretty, and being scared of being finite.

It helps if we remind them that you can value life without the god claims and superstitions. I still find meaning in the finite time I have. I still have the same ups and downs in life. I still feel love for my family and friends and my pets. I still value human rights and compassion and non violence. I simply refuse to sugar coat reality.

No one mourns over the seasons changing. No one mourns over the death of a cockroach or bacteria. Life after I die will feel the same as it did for me 5,000 years ago, or 5 million years ago.

It is no different than knowing you go to a movie knowing it will end but still enjoy it. No different than reading a book knowing it has a last page. No different than knowing that music concert ends.

I am frightened of death too, but not in the same way. I fear prolonged pain. I fear missing my loved ones and them missing me. But I do not needlessly fear nature itself. I will die like it or not, so I do not dwell on that nature and simply find value with what I have now.

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The argument from design is horrible. Humans can choke to death because they share the same breathing and eating tube. Dolphins and whales have separate eating breathing tubes. Eagles have way better eyesight. Cockroaches and bacteria outnumber humans.The giraffe has a nerve that starts from one ear, goes all the way down the neck, and then back up to the other ear.

And again, if everything is "designed" so is eboli and the flu virus and cancer.

[C4RM5]

In northern ireland most off us dont look forward to one particular season change, that is one case of mourning a season.

[Brian37]

Keep staring at my fingertip while I point at the moon.

Your belief in a god is YOU caused by a case of bad guesses, gap filling and emotional desire. If you say life is pretty, what makes you think I cant see that? If you observe pain and suffering, what makes you think I don't see that?

The only difference is I do not assign good or bad to invisible sky heros. I still see good in life and humans, and in nature, I simply don't assign the good or bad in it to gods or old books.