Being gay is a fetish.

[emjay]

What I do believe is that it results from the brain's plasticity and the brain fixating on the 'wrong' thing in a critical stage of development

This is just my opinion, to which I am entitled just as much as everyone else is to theirs.

I am calling bullshit due to your contextual usage of the word wrong .

Also, just as you have a right to your opinion, anyone has the right to state how retarded that opinion is.  Opinions are not above reproach, after all.

I put wrong in quotes because it would look even worse without them. This argument was aimed towards Heywood not you. He thinks it's wrong not me.

[Regina]

What an incredibly stupid post.

Par the course at the moment for you isn't it Chad? Take a dump on a thread with baseless unsupported assertions then fuck off to another thread to start the process all over again.

Poor form.

Where have all the good theists gone?

Naw, I just get bored with the antireligious bigotry, juvenile insults, and unrepentant depravity of irrational nihilists that take over the threads as they grow longer.

I get bored with this view tbh.

I'm sorry but "antireligious bigotry" doesn't exist, or at least it doesn't exist until individual religious people are actually unsafe or can't freely practice their religion. The point most of these people miss is that you can freely practice any religion you want in the Western world. Simply saying "you can't throw rocks at unveiled women or lash out at gays" is not stopping you from practicing your religion, nor is it saying you can't believe that gays and unchaste women are Hell-bound.

The argument also misses the following points;

- All and every religion is a lifestyle choice, not something you are born into, even if you were initiated at birth.
- Some religions, praticularly Christianity and Islam, have historically held a lot of power, and continue to. This power gives them the ability to create political loopholes and abuse rights. Therefore there is naturally going to be resentment of and campaigns against these religions. Until these religions lose that power, they're going to have to deal with it, because that resentment is getting louder and louder.

[robvalue]

We're all such a bunch of cunts yet here you remain Chad.

[Esquilax]

Ah yes, all the "unrepentant depravity" of consensual sex that causes no harm to anyone.

Tell you what, Chad: you give me any reason why this stuff is wrong without recourse to "god sez so," then maybe there's a discussion to be had in there. But if you're just gonna shitpost I can happily report you for your flamebait: I don't think I've seen a single post from you that wasn't a one sentence, presumptuous jab at someone else in quite a while, so it's long overdue.

[robvalue]

Indeed. I've yet to hear a single sound, or even semi-sound argument from anyone why anal sex or homosexuality is "wrong" or why it hurts anyone.

All I hear is bluster covering bigotry.

[thesummerqueen]

Indeed. I've yet to hear a single sound, or even semi-sound argument from anyone why anal sex or homosexuality is "wrong" or why it hurts anyone.

All I hear is bluster covering bigotry.

That's because you're not satisfied with "Because God said so." 

[Brian37]

Well lets not make sex a Candyland utopia. You can get disease from vaginal anal, male or female same sex or not and oral counts too. But the person's sexuality is still no one's business, and if they are educated to the risks, and adults and consenting to the act mutually heterosexual or homosexual, under those conditions, it is no ones business but the people involved in the consensual act.

[Chas]

The reason homosexuality is not mentioned specifically in the Bible is because if fell within a general category of sexual sin, porneia, that includes all forms of sexual sin and perversity, including heterosexual sodomy and adultery. But that's what you get when atheists read the bible because they're just looking for loopholes to justify their basest desires.

Atheists don't look to the Bible for anything to do with their lives.  You have very bizarre ideas.

[Brian37]

The reason homosexuality is not mentioned specifically in the Bible is because if fell within a general category of sexual sin, porneia, that includes all forms of sexual sin and perversity, including heterosexual sodomy and adultery. But that's what you get when atheists read the bible because they're just looking for loopholes to justify their basest desires.

Atheists don't look to the Bible for anything to do with their lives.  You have very bizarre ideas.

Well they stupidly confuse yucky as bad. They also cannot grasp that atheists are not advocating force of an act on anyone. They are the morons who don't want to educate kids or adults on the scientific realities and financial realities of sex. They simply go with "God said don't do that".

They stupidly think that if someone else does something they don't like magically they will be forced to do it too. They think we are recruiters. It simply amounts to their own fears and insecurities. Oh and by "we" I mean gays and lesbians and the heterosexuals who support gay rights. And not all those who support gays rights are atheists.

[emjay]

To the people I have offended with my post: abaris, thesummerqueen, One Above All, Kitan, and anyone else it offends in the future

I am truly sorry. The very last thing I wanted to do was offend the other gay people on this forum. It was incredibly stupid of me to post that sort of theory in the middle of a heated debate on the subject. It was meant as a stepping-stone to argument with Heywood; trying to find some common ground and showing that if there was any choice involved, as he claims, that it would be minimal at best and in any case uninformed.

I got defensive in my replies to your replies because I thought no-one was actually reading it properly, but fuck that, don't read it - it's a shitty theory and I'm sorry I even thought it up: I can find no conscious choice, whatsoever, in the development of my own sexuality. Being bisexual I can choose to look at gay porn or straight porn but that is the limit of my choice in the matter - it does not change my sexuality in the slightest or who I am attracted to and I did not mean to imply for a second that people could just change sexualities at the drop of a hat or choose to find someone attractive. I don't believe that at all.

Anyway I will not defend that theory and will direct future replies to it to this apology. Please forgive me.