Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?

[Polaris]

Probably.

[Godscreated]

No, but one who rejects Him might be viewed that way.

Why?

Seriously?

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@ professor, they will never get it because they believe the whole things a joke, in the end, unfortunately, they will see there was no joke. They'll not take us seriously because they unknowingly worship another god, one who actually hates them.

GC

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, you could have waited a few more pages before the hell threats began.  So classy. Fantasize about roasting people often?

[robvalue]

There is no evidence the snake was Satan. That's a big ret con.

The snake was the hero of the story. He caught the mental power hungry loony out lying through his teeth.

The problems began only because god is such a bad loser.

[Rhondazvous]

What was evil about eating the fruit? I don't know about you, but to me, a designation of evil requires a little more than disobedience. Kids disobey me constantly...and all joking aside....couldn't call them evil for it, or call that disobedience itself evil.  Not even close.....I'm talking oceans of distance between that and evil.

Especially when you onsider the truly evil things God commands the people to do in the Mosiac law. Slavery, genocide, mysogeny, prostitution. There's actually a clause in there showing fathers how to sell their daughters into sexual slavery (Exodus 21:7-11). To designate eating a fruit as evil punishable by death and eternal torment is...I don't even have the words for it.

[The Grand Nudger]

- I might have a few....lol

[Rhondazvous]

Why?

Seriously?

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@ professor, they will never get it because they believe the whole things a joke, in the end, unfortunately, they will see there was no joke. They'll not take us seriously because they unknowingly worship another god, one who actually hates them.

GC

No, I don't see it as a joke. Proselytizing a religion that dulls the mind, slenderizes the true Creator and teaches people to instead worship some low level regional manager who creates a world that has not the slightest resemblance to the world we live in is no joke. In fact, in the Bible God and saten ore often given credit for the same acts.  If you dare me to show you, I will, but don't get mad at me. I didn't write it.

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Regarding the tree of life

If A and E were already immortal, what was the purpose of having a tree of life that would give them what they already had? But then, if they were already mortal, why threaten them with death if they were already going to die? In my opening post, I showed that we are not talking about spiritual death, since the spirit does not return to dust. So don't try to go there.

The authors clearly weren't very deep thinkers and did not notice the paradox they were creating with this story.

[Godscreated]

LOL, you could have waited a few more pages before the hell threats began.  So classy. Fantasize about roasting people often?

I actually expressed the hell thing as a terrible thing for one to have to endure, what's unclassy is you trying to make it sound different than what I said, of coarse a normal day for you.

GC

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Seriously?

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@ professor, they will never get it because they believe the whole things a joke, in the end, unfortunately, they will see there was no joke. They'll not take us seriously because they unknowingly worship another god, one who actually hates them.

GC

No, I don't see it as a joke. Proselytizing a religion that dulls the mind, slenderizes the true Creator and teaches people to instead worship some low level regional manager who creates a world that has not the slightest resemblance to the world we live in is no joke. In fact, in the Bible God and saten ore often given credit for the same acts.  If you dare me to show you, I will, but don't get mad at me. I didn't write it.

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Regarding the tree of life

If A and E were already immortal, what was the purpose of having a tree of life that would give them what  they already had? But then, if they were already mortal, why threaten them with death if they were already going to die? In my opening post, I showed that we are not talking about spiritual death, since the spirit does not return to dust. So don't try to go there.

The authors clearly weren't very deep thinkers and did not notice the paradox they were creating with this story.

Please show me the verses.

Who said the tree was there for them to eat from and gain eternal life. The story is quite clear that death wasn't a part of the creation, if death was a part of creation then the punishment of death for disobedience would have no meaning, wouldn't you say so.

GC

[emjay]

Hi Rhonda

I'm sorry I've taken so long to post. It's just that when it became clear that this was going to be a thread about looking at the contradictions in the Bible it looked too daunting and pointless. The Bible is full of contradictions and I learnt a long time ago that it gets you nowhere to point them out or study them. If logic applies then the Bible simply cannot be taken literally. It is the work of man, and moreover, man at different times and with different agendas, all picking and choosing arbitrarily what to build on and what to ignore.

As for "Paulianity" there's a book you might like to read: "The Christ Conundrum: The Skeptic's Guide to Jesus", by Andrew Carruth. In it it explains that Paul was preaching to the rest of the Roman world, which was pagan, polytheistic, and couldn't understand the concept of the the monotheistic god of the Old Testament. So Paul was trying to distance his version of Christianity from Judaism and the Ten Commandments.

[h4ym4n]

Rhonda, the eyes of their understanding were opened.
My personal view is that these 2 were engulfed in light (which was the glory of God) and when they blew it-
the glory left and THEN they saw their nakedness.
It was not that knowledge is the bad guy, it was the experiential knowledge of evil.

Hey professor, got any explanation as to why there was a delayed reaction to the biting of the fruit? 

Eve took a bite and had enough time to bring the fruit to Adam. After he ate the fruit the sin reaction happens to both of them at the same time. It would have been quite different if the sin reaction happened immediately, wouldn't it? 

And another question, Eve wasn't invented when God gave the do not eat command. Who told her not to eat the fruit and what would happen if she did?