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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 9:59 am
(April 29, 2015 at 7:14 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 29, 2015 at 7:01 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: In an alternate reality it was Riketto that started this thread.
and I have a goatee
And rikky has the solid evidence for his assertions that he demands from everyone else.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 10:03 am
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2015 at 10:10 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Your inability to adequately communicate an experience(or series of experiences) which you found to be transformative is hardly a reason to conlcude "god" Riketto.
As to the "magic" of emergent properties mentioned by an earlier troll.....it's easy to understand why a person who sees magic in emergence would see magic -everywhere else-. Emergence is simply what happens when two component parts - for example, come together and in that combination express a property not possessed by either of the components themselves. Whether they are artifact, or simply happenstance, is irrellevent to whether or not they are emergent.
Two boulders pushed by ice, when interlocked at a narrow point in a stream - have the "emergent properties" of being a dam (as might a single log, as does a large pile of debris -of any kind-). I don't see a whole hell of alot of hocus pocus involved.....nor am I required to chisel the faces of the stone and lower them into place /w a crane......but I'm not the kind of guy that sees magic everywhere he looks, nor do I think that human beings are involved in every single interaction that goes down on this rock...so, maybe someone on the other end of the spectrum could fill me in?
(play a little of conways game of life..to understand how simple a concept emergence is, and maybe find your shame........)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 10:39 am
I'll be hiking down into my office in about twenty minutes:
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 1:10 pm
(April 29, 2015 at 9:27 am)Riketto Wrote: My life was a total misery in my teens years.
Nothing really works for me.
You do know there are plenty of people that get out of their miserable teens as happy adults without the belief in gods, right?
Quote:At the same time i felt like a force that was telling me that there is a way out this mess.
I follow this force advice step by step and i got to someone who was ready to help.
That 'force' you were feeling was your own subconscious.
Quote:It was really good to realize that what i was looking for was inside not externally as i previous thought.
Of course what you were looking for was inside you, it was your subconscious.
You improved your own life, not a god.
Own it. Take credit for your own work.
Quote:I don't really care what this good feeling can be called God or what else but to me it is.
When this force is so great to make feel so good i can not really call it anything else. 
There is nothing in any of this that points to a god.
That good feeling is you. No god necessary.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Wonderful pictures, Parkers Tan!
"The chances of each of us coming into existence are infinitesimally small, and even though we shall all die some day, we should count ourselves fantastically lucky to get our decades in the sun." - Richard Dawkins
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 3:07 pm
(April 29, 2015 at 2:04 pm)PhilosophicalZebra Wrote: Wonderful pictures, Parkers Tan!
When I'm down in the canyon, it doesn't matter to me whether a god exists or not. Being inside that nature, I am overawed, and feel humble and small, in an entirely healthy way that makes humility before any god seem tawdry and utilitarian.
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 4:10 pm
That's beautifully written.
"The chances of each of us coming into existence are infinitesimally small, and even though we shall all die some day, we should count ourselves fantastically lucky to get our decades in the sun." - Richard Dawkins
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 29, 2015 at 4:53 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2015 at 4:54 pm by Alex K.)
(April 29, 2015 at 3:07 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (April 29, 2015 at 2:04 pm)PhilosophicalZebra Wrote: Wonderful pictures, Parkers Tan!
When I'm down in the canyon, it doesn't matter to me whether a god exists or not. Being inside that nature, I am overawed, and feel humble and small, in an entirely healthy way that makes humility before any god seem tawdry and utilitarian.
Well said indeed, I feel the same way when looking at nature in all her overwhelming glory sometimes.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 30, 2015 at 4:31 am
(April 29, 2015 at 1:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (April 29, 2015 at 9:27 am)Riketto Wrote: My life was a total misery in my teens years.
Nothing really works for me.
You do know there are plenty of people that get out of their miserable teens as happy adults without the belief in gods, right?
Quote:At the same time i felt like a force that was telling me that there is a way out this mess.
I follow this force advice step by step and i got to someone who was ready to help.
That 'force' you were feeling was your own subconscious.
Quote:It was really good to realize that what i was looking for was inside not externally as i previous thought.
Of course what you were looking for was inside you, it was your subconscious.
You improved your own life, not a god.
Own it. Take credit for your own work.
Quote:I don't really care what this good feeling can be called God or what else but to me it is.
When this force is so great to make feel so good i can not really call it anything else.
There is nothing in any of this that points to a god.
That good feeling is you. No god necessary.
This must be one of the most interesting post i ever seen.
I never said that God is an external entity as some religions say.
God is internal so i am God.
By getting to your super conscious mind you get to God so the good feeling is God
and God is you but don't worry Simon sooner or later your confusion will give way to
the great reality of life.
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RE: The Wonder of Reality
April 30, 2015 at 5:47 am
I'm telling you, Riketto, you're an atheist, you just don't admit it yet.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
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