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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 9, 2015 at 11:53 am
Well, God of Islam is not perfect either. He certainly doesn't know how to justify his actions. The same commandment is found in the Quran "Thou shall not kill", but in other verses it urges Muslims to kill and torture all the unbelievers, in addition they will be rewarded in this life and in the afterlife. But, God seems to contradict himself very often, when in another verse, clearly says:" ...if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind"
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 9, 2015 at 2:36 pm
(May 9, 2015 at 11:53 am)Prince Wrote: Well, God of Islam is not perfect either. He certainly doesn't know how to justify his actions. The same commandment is found in the Quran "Thou shall not kill", but in other verses it urges Muslims to kill and torture all the unbelievers, in addition they will be rewarded in this life and in the afterlife. But, God seems to contradict himself very often, when in another verse, clearly says:" ...if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind"
The Bible and the Koran were written by committees, with each writer being responsible for certain parts. Consequentially each writer put his own spin on the narrative and there was no single editor to keep them all on the same page. Some writers were peaceniks and others were war-mongers. The end result was a bunch of contradictions.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 21, 2015 at 8:58 am
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(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...
And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?
What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!
i understand what you are saying you should research the reason, but you could look at it this way. the first born in eygpt witnessed gods 9 plagues that should of made them repent and turn to god of moses. but they didnt and god doing that. they would of deserved it. they could of got saved if they died believing in god. but you should research and email me <SNIP>
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 21, 2015 at 10:54 am
(May 21, 2015 at 8:58 am)Joshua martin pryce Wrote: i understand what you are saying you should research the reason, but you could look at it this way. the first born in eygpt witnessed gods 9 plagues that should of made them repent and turn to god of moses. but they didnt and god doing that. they would of deserved it. they could of got saved if they died believing in god. but you should research and email me <SNIP>
The first born witnessed the nine plagues and should have repented? Nonsense, you should read Exodus. Yahweh does not ask the Egyptians to become his worshipers. Yehweh claims a covenant with the Hebrews. He spurns other worshipers. He asks the Pharaoh to let the Hebrews go, not to convert. The Pharaoh was the only person who had any say over whether to let the Hebrews go. The first born were just by standers, especially the little tykes and the first born animals. And Yahweh repeatedly "hardened" Pharaoh's heart so that he would not.
Not that there's any historical truth to the story.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 21, 2015 at 11:40 am
(May 21, 2015 at 8:58 am)Joshua martin pryce Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...
And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?
What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!
i understand what you are saying you should research the reason, but you could look at it this way. the first born in eygpt witnessed gods 9 plagues that should of made them repent and turn to god of moses. but they didnt and god doing that. they would of deserved it. they could of got saved if they died believing in god. but you should research and email me <SNIP>
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I don't feel like adding anything over what Jenny said, except... do send a link or two where I can research all that.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 21, 2015 at 11:55 am
(May 21, 2015 at 8:58 am)Joshua martin pryce Wrote: i understand what you are saying you should research the reason, but you could look at it this way. the first born in eygpt witnessed gods 9 plagues that should of made them repent and turn to god of moses. but they didnt and god doing that. they would of deserved it. they could of got saved if they died believing in god. but you should research and email me <SNIP>
Really? "They wouldn't believe in god, therefore murdering them was okay"?
So, what I'm hearing is that you believe it is morally acceptable for all of us here to be killed in the name of your god?
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 22, 2015 at 12:55 pm
(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...
And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?
What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!
It is hypocritical and god himself went back on his word and killed people. Even after thou shall not kill god commanded moses to kill people.
Again you can only get this type psychopathy from character written in the bronze age.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm
(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...
And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?
What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!
The Command is you shall not Murder.
The difference between killing and murder?
Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 22, 2015 at 6:24 pm
(May 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Drich Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote:
The Command is you shall not Murder.
The difference between killing and murder?
Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands. That's an interesting view. The Bible says that God has evil angels to do his dirty work. So when people go on killing sprees why do they get arrested and executed for murder when it's plainly clear that they were just doing what God had authorized them to do? Therefore no one should ever be busted for killing people because God authorized them to do it and therefore it's all good. After all, they never would have done such acts if God hadn't told them to do them.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
May 22, 2015 at 6:28 pm
(May 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Drich Wrote: The Command is you shall not Murder.
The difference between killing and murder?
Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.
In other words, it's okay if God does it, but nobody else. Moreover he needs no justification for killing someone other than his own authority. Talk about a license to kill.
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