Posts: 15
Threads: 0
Joined: August 11, 2015
Reputation:
1
Transgendered children
August 17, 2015 at 11:52 pm
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 12:04 am by 80sChild.)
(August 17, 2015 at 11:04 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (August 17, 2015 at 6:36 am)80sChild Wrote: But what if there wrong? What if he was just going through a faze ? There is no going back after that!
Be honest. Did you read the article at all?
They aren't lopping this child's penis off. They are delaying puberty until she is old enough to make an informed decision. All the while, she'll be going through transition counseling. Transition counseling, by all accounts, is not all roses and vaginas. They lay all of the stark realities out for you to start coping before you make the final decision. The idea that even though you will feel the right sex finally for the first time in your life, the vast majority of transgender individuals still cope with mood and anxiety disorders, general depression, and emotional regulation issues. It's not a cure all.
But I cannot imagine living my whole life looking at my penis like a foreign object. I have heard transgender males relate stories of feeling a phantom penis (much like a amputee feels their phantom limb). This is an issue that my ability to feel empathy for these individuals runs into a wall because I cannot even begin to imagine what it is like to feel this way. I just know that the pain must be fucking immense. It enrages me that people are so dismissive of this issue without taking the time to learn about it.
But that is really the hallmark of theism, isn't it?
No I wasn't trying to imply that at all, I was only wanting the child to be sure that is all. I am sure it has to be horrible living inside a foreign body. I am not against this nor am I against gays. I am for gay rights, I believe all people should be treated equally with out prejudice. Do not be so quick to judge some one just because of your experiences with other people who claim certain things. I am very open minded and only here to learn and enjoy other people's ideas.
[emoji4][emoji5]️
(August 17, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I feel like this discussion is going around in circles and I'm getting tired of it
For the last freaking time, it's not a "faze" when you have felt a particular way consistently for years on end.
You also don't have to think of yourself as "masculine" if you are a cisgender (and heterosexual) man. Everything you are typically interested in as a cis/het man is given automatic credibility, because you are seen as natural and the default. That doesn't mean your gender doesn't exist, it just means it's never questioned or side-eyed. Therefore, you don't have to internalize your gender and think about it the way a transgender person is forced to. You can just be yourself and float through life quite comfortably, not challenged on it.
And like I said, I was only asking out of concern I do not know a lot about this kind of thing. So please don't assume I mean anything more.
Posts: 15351
Threads: 118
Joined: January 13, 2014
Reputation:
117
RE: Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 1:54 am
(August 17, 2015 at 11:52 pm)80sChild Wrote: No I wasn't trying to imply that at all, I was only wanting the child to be sure that is all. I am sure it has to be horrible living inside a foreign body. I am not against this nor am I against gays. I am for gay rights, I believe all people should be treated equally with out prejudice. Do not be so quick to judge some one just because of your experiences with other people who claim certain things. I am very open minded and only here to learn and enjoy other people's ideas.
[emoji4][emoji5]️
So then let's break it down.
What did you mean by "what if there [sic] wrong?" Had you read the article, you would know that this girl's doctors are not performing any reassignment. They are simply giving her some hormone therapy that will delay puberty, which will give her a better chance for a successful reassignment much later, and if she decides, at that point, to not go ahead with the reassignment, she will stop taking the drugs, go through puberty, and not have any effects on her ability to reproduce. She may be smaller in stature and developmentally 2-3 years behind her peers, but no long term detrimental effects will have taken place.
What did you mean by what if it's "just a faze [sic]?" If you had read the article, you would have known that this child has been expressing gender dysmorphia from a very young age, and more than half of her life she has been expressing that she should be a girl. That isn't a phase. In fact, this is the norm for transgender individuals.
What did you mean by "There is no going back after that!" Once again, had you read the article, you would know that what they are doing right now is completely reversible. She won't be ready for reassignment surgery according to normal timelines until she is 17. That will be 9 years of counseling, thinking about it, staring this life altering decision in the face. If you think it's still a whim at that point, then that's on you. If you think that every transgender individual ever isn't acutely aware of how permanent that procedure is, well, then, I don't know what to tell you.
My objection to your statement wasn't because I think you are against LGBT individuals or didn't support their rights. It was because you very obviously opined on this situation without taking the 4 minutes it would have taken to familiarize yourself with what we were talking about. You did a very typical theist move, which is to make statements that show how little you actually know, but are reacting to a headline rather than what actually is taking place.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<---
Posts: 15
Threads: 0
Joined: August 11, 2015
Reputation:
1
Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 2:20 am
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 2:20 am by 80sChild.)
Well I probably did not read it through good enough to understand what they meant by some things. Thank you for explaining tho now I will know what they mean when used in something like this. What I was asking as far as phase, I was only asking if there are ways they can be sure it's a real want or a want now and change your mind later. See I do not know what gender dystrophia is. I am so sorry I offended you with questions. From now on I will refrain from asking questions, I should be ashamed of myself for being so uneducated in the transgender terms and use of words! Guess I missed that class! No I don't know anything about this ! I didn't know there was a class to take before asking questions. The problem with you is you hate "theist" whatever that is. I guess I'm too stupid for this forum. Thanks!
Posts: 7392
Threads: 53
Joined: January 15, 2015
Reputation:
88
RE: Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 3:18 am
(August 18, 2015 at 1:54 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Once again, had you read the article, you would know that what they are doing right now is completely reversible. She won't be ready for reassignment surgery according to normal timelines until she is 17. That will be 9 years of counseling, thinking about it, staring this life altering decision in the face. If you think it's still a whim at that point, then that's on you. If you think that every transgender individual ever isn't acutely aware of how permanent that procedure is, well, then, I don't know what to tell you. her than what actually is taking place.
And that will be an extremely tough 9 years. Can you imagine living as a school girl hiding the fact that you have a penis?
Posts: 15
Threads: 0
Joined: August 11, 2015
Reputation:
1
Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 6:56 am
(August 18, 2015 at 3:18 am)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 1:54 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Once again, had you read the article, you would know that what they are doing right now is completely reversible. She won't be ready for reassignment surgery according to normal timelines until she is 17. That will be 9 years of counseling, thinking about it, staring this life altering decision in the face. If you think it's still a whim at that point, then that's on you. If you think that every transgender individual ever isn't acutely aware of how permanent that procedure is, well, then, I don't know what to tell you. her than what actually is taking place.
And that will be an extremely tough 9 years. Can you imagine living as a school girl hiding the fact that you have a penis?
Right!! Don't offend him he gets pissy if you miss all the correct terms and ways to address transgenders. And hope you read the article like 10 times and took the quiz before commenting. Because if not you do not know enough to ask questions!! Such BS !!!!' The whole thing is !!!
Posts: 7318
Threads: 75
Joined: April 18, 2015
Reputation:
73
RE: Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 8:03 am
-_-
That is literally all I have to say at this point
Posts: 20476
Threads: 447
Joined: June 16, 2014
Reputation:
111
RE: Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 8:26 am
(August 1, 2015 at 9:46 pm)vixene Wrote: What I don't understand is how a child knows what another gender feels like. Or anybody really. When a biological male says they feel female, what does being a female feel like?
That's easy!
Sugar and spice and all that's nice!
I just watch that Louis Theroux transgender video which Nappa alluded to...
Very, very interesting... If anyone has any doubts about the validity of transgender children, please watch it.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
Posts: 15351
Threads: 118
Joined: January 13, 2014
Reputation:
117
RE: Transgendered children
August 18, 2015 at 12:45 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 2:20 am)80sChild Wrote: Well I probably did not read it through good enough to understand what they meant by some things. Thank you for explaining tho now I will know what they mean when used in something like this. What I was asking as far as phase, I was only asking if there are ways they can be sure it's a real want or a want now and change your mind later. See I do not know what gender dystrophia is. I am so sorry I offended you with questions. From now on I will refrain from asking questions, I should be ashamed of myself for being so uneducated in the transgender terms and use of words! Guess I missed that class! No I don't know anything about this ! I didn't know there was a class to take before asking questions. The problem with you is you hate "theist" whatever that is. I guess I'm too stupid for this forum. Thanks!
Oh calm down. Are you seriously going to play like I have said any of that? That I have acted offended rather than just annoyed?
I called you out for not reading the article and then opining on the clickbait title. You cannot admit when you're wrong, and so you're lashing out like a passive aggressive child, and I'm being an asshole for calling you out.
I have no problem with theists in general. I have problems with theists who walk into every room knowing they have the answer, and then act like they're being persecuted when they're called out on it.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<---
Posts: 3837
Threads: 197
Joined: August 28, 2013
Reputation:
38
RE: Transgendered children
January 26, 2017 at 6:51 pm
I have a lot of questions about cases like this. And before I go on, do not I lack sympathy.
But honestly I don't think kids should be allowed to make decisions like this and that their views are often directly imprinted by their parents. I simply do not think that a 8 year old has the mental faculty and tools to make such a decision. And I think especially in the case of children, other less drastic treatments should be researched.
Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Posts: 12743
Threads: 92
Joined: January 3, 2016
Reputation:
85
RE: Transgendered children
January 26, 2017 at 6:55 pm
Look at how old this thread is...
|
