(May 15, 2015 at 3:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Freedom, even if every question you can think of asking can only be answered by "We don't know", you would still have no reason to postulate a god. And saying 'it seems likely' or 'it makes sense to me' or 'it's imaginable' is not any form of evidence.Likewise it doesn't mean his faith is irrational as some would have us believe.
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Nature's Laws
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  RE: Nature's Laws
May 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
Quote:I think that there is more to "reality" than just the physical stuff of natureWhy do you think that? And how do you get from that to Christianity? (May 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 15, 2015 at 3:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Freedom, even if every question you can think of asking can only be answered by "We don't know", you would still have no reason to postulate a god. And saying 'it seems likely' or 'it makes sense to me' or 'it's imaginable' is not any form of evidence.Likewise it doesn't mean his faith is irrational as some would have us believe. Err..yes..it does. Not having an answer to a question doesn't mean making up an answer is rational.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
Are you talking about supernatural stuff? Can you demonstrate the supernatural in any way? Can the supernatural be falsified at all? If you answer in the negative, then you are not justified in believing that a 'supernatural' plane exists.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (May 15, 2015 at 3:26 pm)Freedom4me Wrote:(May 15, 2015 at 3:10 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So, what convinced you in Josh McDowel's books (about which I agree with Simon)? Other religious texts are just as unique as the Bible, just in different ways. The so called "prophecies" in the OT that you allude to, on deeper study, are not what you believe they are. They are all; mistranslations, misinterpretations, referencing events that occurred in the OT, or self fulfilling. If you want to discuss a specific prophecy that convinced you, please do. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.  RE: Nature's Laws
May 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2015 at 3:36 pm by robvalue.)
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech RE: Nature's Laws
May 15, 2015 at 3:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2015 at 3:41 pm by robvalue.)
You know the people who wrote the NT could just read the OT and write stuff to make it look like things had "come true", right? In fact, this is what they did, so much so that they went way overboard into nonsensical things due to errors in their attempts to copy it.
First of all, welcome aboard.
Second: there's a difference between physical laws and societal ones. Physical laws are descriptive of nature; societal laws are proscriptive towards behaviour. If nature could write proscriptive laws, wouldn't "keep off the grass" be among the top ten?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
And what about Isaiah 53 causes you to believe it's a prophecy of Jesus? If you weren't already primed to believe so by centuries of previous Christian interpretation and just read the passage in context, do you think you would have ever made that interpretative stretch on your own? Have you ever consulted a knowledgeable practicing Jew -- preferably a Rabbi -- on that passage?
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