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An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist.
The whole of time consists of every point of time.
If every point of time had to come into being, then the whole of time had to come into being. (1 and 2).
Time is temporal and came into being.
Further argument:
Time couldn't have come from nothing.
Time could only have came into being from an eternal existence.
Time coming into being from eternal existence requires will as it's cannot be inevitable outcome from a material existence.
Whatever caused time has to have immense power.
The eternal existence is the creator of time and has immense power
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 12:41 pm
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(May 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist.
Implies all of time exists at once. That is one huge assertion. Evidence?
Quote:The whole of time consists of every point of time.
If every point of time had to come into being, then the whole of time had to come into being. (1 and 2).
Why? Time happens moment by moment. Only now is known to exist.
Quote:Time is temporal and came into being.
Quote:Further argument:
Time couldn't have come from nothing.
That is one huge assertion. Evidence?
Quote:Time could only have came into being from an eternal existence.
That is one huge assertion. Evidence?
Quote:Time coming into being from eternal existence requires will as it's cannot be inevitable outcome from a material existence.
That is one huge assertion. Evidence?
Quote:Whatever caused time has to have immense power.
Quote:The eternal existence is the creator of time and has immense power
All based on your assertions that you have not provided any support for.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 12:42 pm
Time is temporal?
What definition of temporal are you using? Temporal usually means "relating to time" or "for a period of time".
Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist.
Time couldn't have come from nothing.
What is the evidence for these statements? I'm afraid I can't understand this argument. You seem to be talking about a second timeline in which our timeline appears, or something.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 12:42 pm
He needs a little help with his temporal lobe.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 12:51 pm
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(May 28, 2015 at 12:42 pm)robvalue Wrote: Time is temporal?
What definition of temporal are you using? Temporal usually means "relating to time" or "for a period of time".
Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist.
Time couldn't have come from nothing.
What is the evidence for these statements? I'm afraid I can't understand this argument. You seem to be talking about a second timeline in which our timeline appears, or something.
Exactly my problem as well. Are you assuming that there is some additional external time with which the coming into existence (which is a temporal concept) of "our time" can be described. If yes, then you just moved the problem back one step by introducing a complication. If no, what you say literally makes no sense because you use temporal concepts without there being a concept of time on which they can be based.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(May 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist. Which point of time?
I hope you do realize that time is subjective, not objective.
There is no such thing as a universal or 'privileged' point of time. The point of time for someone near a large source of gravity will be different than someone far away from it. The point of time for someone travelling close to the speed of light will be different than someone standing still.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Sounds like a rehash of the kalam argument.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 1:00 pm
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If this powerful being is able to act, then I assume it must have its own version of time as well. So that version of time must, by the same argument, have had a creator. An even more powerful one, I presume. And so on.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 1:02 pm
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(May 28, 2015 at 12:42 pm)robvalue Wrote: Time is temporal?
What definition of temporal are you using? Temporal usually means "relating to time" or "for a period of time".
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The argument one uses for showing that time is temporal involves a dictionary. This is like saying that bachelors are unmarried, and tells us about language, not about other things out in the world.
The original argument is total gibberish.
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RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
May 28, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Are you saying that Time can be stopped? is that what you meant by "Time couldn't have come from nothing... it came from an eternal existent"
If you killed yourself today, your time will stop, correct? but if you mean Time & the Universe, we will be continuing to live, the universe will sustain another millions of years, there is no end for time, nor a beginning.
We could ask ourselves;
Where did the universe come from, and where is it going? Did the universe had a beginning, and if so, what happened before then?
Ask yourself first What is the nature of Time?
If time can be stopped, then the universe would come to an End and that would be an utter pointless, don't you think?
Time always existed and the universe will always be in existing... If the creator of Time wanted to 'End Time', then what is the purpose of Time, if God has the power to terminate Time anytime he wants, then why wait till the End of Time?
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