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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 6:33 am
(June 15, 2015 at 11:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I think it's quaint and heartwarming that you feel that JW's have made a break from pagan beliefs. JW's fellow christians think they have as well, and strongly disagree with the notion that -JW's- have. Again, I think that this is silly. You're both arguing your doctrines, rather than fact...and quite frankly, neither of you are on friendly terms with facts. The defensive believer in you desperately needs to make this about me.
It isn't, I haven't been saying these things, you have. Own the conversation that you chose to have. -All of you- are indebted to your pagan forebearers. There's no break. Without the pagan influence you wouldn't even recognize your own religions. They would seem as alien to all of you as judaism -already seems- to all of you. Understand? Your polytheistic arianism is somehow better or less pagan than their monotheistic trinitarianism? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds to anyone who was -not- raised as a JW? Are we really already at the point where everything you've been taught is useless, that your only response to me is "oh yeah, well you're -x-"? Why is that? Why did the people who gave you the answers leave you so unprepared against even the most gentle of resistance?
So quit saying that I'm just wrong because you said so and its so sad that I don't know I am wrong and can you believe that I actually believe that I am right because I am so wrong because you said so, yes that was supposed to be as incoherent as your sentences, and give me some examples? Calling me a polytheist only proves that you can take a definition and find a broad definition to fit what JW's believe. And you can't say we subscribe to arianism because we do recognize Jesus as a divine being, just not the almighty.
Anyone who subscribes to cynicism like yourself but thinks its skepticism can never acknowledge when they're wrong. They can never admit to any good in the thing they detest because then they'll have to know that their little of house of cards like reasoning is too flimsy for their small thinking. So again, how do you rope me into these replies? I put you on my ignore list but I still get your messages somehow
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 7:57 am
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(June 14, 2015 at 10:39 pm)nicanica123 Wrote: I guess thats true if you believe that if they're not 100% right about everything then they have to be 100% wrong. I just don't believe that is worth it to view anything that way. That's not what I believe, especially since I'm not religious and do not expect perfection from people. Any person or cause worth following or being associated with will have its good and bad qualities. In just about every other facet of our lives, we understand this and weigh these issues when making decisions. It is religion itself that demands standards that people either cannot reach or are not interested in trying to reach.
In other words, "100% right or wrong" is the organization's view, not mine. If their belief system allowed for them to be as wrong as they have been, they would embrace their past. They hide so much of it because it would hurt the efforts to gain new converts; there is only so much people will accept under the umbrella of "we are fallible men." In this, they're not really any different from most (if not all) other religious groups; trying to have it both ways (pointing out the flaws in other religions as a sign that they lack divine support, then hiding or excusing their own flaws). It is one of the ways in which religion hurts society as a whole, leveraging confirmation bias to its fullest extent to keep people in line.
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 8:05 am
(May 31, 2015 at 11:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: FWIW, I think the Jehovah's Witnesses are much less nutso than the Mormons. Do Mormons seem especially nutso to Jehovah's Witnesses, or are all other religions pretty much equally whacky ??
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 8:07 am
Nicanica,
The powers and influence over humans you ascribe to the Devil are godlike. In fact, The Devil is described as much more powerful than Hades was imagined to have been and Hades is clearly considered a god in Greek mythology. Just because you have chosen sides doesn't mean The Devil is any less of a God.
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 10:46 am
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Quote:So quit saying that I'm just wrong because you said so and its so sad that I don't know I am wrong and can you believe that I actually believe that I am right because I am so wrong because you said so, yes that was supposed to be as incoherent as your sentences, and give me some examples? Calling me a polytheist only proves that you can take a definition and find a broad definition to fit what JW's believe. And you can't say we subscribe to arianism because we do recognize Jesus as a divine being, just not the almighty.
Anyone who subscribes to cynicism like yourself but thinks its skepticism can never acknowledge when they're wrong. They can never admit to any good in the thing they detest because then they'll have to know that their little of house of cards like reasoning is too flimsy for their small thinking. So again, how do you rope me into these replies? I put you on my ignore list but I still get your messages somehow
The difference between judaism and christianity is the pagan influence of hellenization. This isn't only true for catholics (a favorite target of your ranting ire), it is true -of christianity- as a whole. I don't think that's a problem (which is why your responses to me are so amusing), the way that you think trinitarianism is a problem, for example.....the only problem that I see is your inability to own the claims -you- make.
You being wrong about something has more to do with your say so than my say so. Mull that one over for awhile. Now I'm a cynic? The hits keeps coming. Perhaps you haven't noticed that you've been called to task on the things -you- say regarding other christian sects? Your responses have been to call me names........it's like you don't know when you're being a douche..just totally oblivious, lol. Can't help but wonder why that is. No worries though, babble on about how horrible some other group of people is for believing in some equally ridiculous version of an idiotic fairy tale, go ahead. I'm sure the responses you get will have something to do with the cynicism of others, rather than your own ignorant remarks. Apparently, the Kindgom Hall taught you to sling the mud, but not how to take a punch? Hey, that's a great question.
Why is the JW belief structure so intolerant of criticism directed towards it - and dissent from it, but overflowing with criticism directed at other sects and people, and aggressively acting to encourage dissent from other denominations?
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 1:09 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 6:33 am)nicanica123 Wrote: So again, how do you rope me into these replies? I put you on my ignore list but I still get your messages somehow
Mod hat on: I suggest you remove Rhythm from your ignore list immediately, as it's a direct violation of rule #11 to have a member of staff on ignore. Thank you.
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 1:22 pm
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There should be an award category for mod most often openly ignored....I'm getting cheated come time to collect the shiny medals, I think. 
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 1:23 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 1:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There should be an award category for mod most often openly ignored....I'm getting cheated come time to collect the shiny medals, I think.
Sorry, did you say something?
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 1:28 pm
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RE: Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses
June 16, 2015 at 1:36 pm
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(June 16, 2015 at 1:09 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (June 16, 2015 at 6:33 am)nicanica123 Wrote: So again, how do you rope me into these replies? I put you on my ignore list but I still get your messages somehow
Mod hat on: I suggest you remove Rhythm from your ignore list immediately, as it's a direct violation of rule #11 to have a member of staff on ignore. Thank you.
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