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Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
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RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
Yes I find it disgusting. when someone draws a picture, and gets killed for it, and people defend the killer, they are missing the whole point of the picture. Besides killing them back, or using free speech to criticize them, what do these people expect us to do about extremists?
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#12
RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
(June 8, 2015 at 8:49 am)Chad32 Wrote: Yes I find it disgusting. when someone draws a picture, and gets killed for it, and people defend the killer, they are missing the whole point of the picture. Besides killing them back, or using free speech to criticize them, what do these people expect us to do about extremists?

My guess is that they want everyone to be quiet and not make too many waves. 
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#13
RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
I just think about how these people would respond if it was another group being 'offended'. Let's say there's a group that draws satirical and offensive drawings of KKK leaders, and then two KKK members show up at the group's building and tries to shoot them over the offense. Would these people say "yeah well, they should have known better"? It's just another manifestation of the untouchable bubble (or, untouchabubble) that religion enjoys right off the bat, where criticism and satire is somehow forbidden just based on the mere fact that it's a 'religion'.
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#14
RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
There isn't much reason to think that treating all aspects of islam with respect will ever fully appease the throngs of impoverished and desperate would be terrorists.  The religion just provides muslims with a wide array of hot button items to focus their resentment.  

It grates with my own values to provoke muslims or christians by deliberately being offensive toward their beliefs.  That said, I refuse to actively pre-screen every thought and word on the off chance that someone, somewhere might take offense.

The "Draw Mohammed" event was sophomoric and puerile.  I can tap into the pleasure of low humor but I'm not going to do it just to be offensive in a mean way.  But I can appreciate most of Bill Maher's religious humor.
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RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
(June 8, 2015 at 9:20 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I just think about how these people would respond if it was another group being 'offended'.  Let's say there's a group that draws satirical and offensive drawings of KKK leaders, and then two KKK members show up at the group's building and tries to shoot them over the offense.  Would these people say "yeah well, they should have known better"?  It's just another manifestation of the untouchable bubble (or, untouchabubble) that religion enjoys right off the bat, where criticism and satire is somehow forbidden just based on the mere fact that it's a 'religion'.

The media does like to ignore the fact that the terrorist groups that threaten America the most are actually local right-wing or religious groups. Not that there can't be overlap between these groups.

Part of the problem is that christians and muslims are so similar, that when they see a muslim kill someone for religious reasons they get jealous. They want to be able to do the same thing, except while worshiping Jesus instead of Muhammad.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
these extremists ready to kill for a fuckin cartoon won't take their precious time to appreciate anybody's respectful approach to islam. they won't be satisfied until the whole planet converts to islam-and even then they'll murder people who don't pass the 'true muslim' test in their book
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#17
RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
I'm sure most people on this forum find it disgusting, I certainly do.

Also I think sweeping statements like "Muslims are offended by drawing of Muhammad" are problematic. Islamists are offended, not all Muslims. Going back to CharlieHebdo, there were quite a few Muslims who came out and said "je suis charlie" in solidarity with the victims. Saying broadly that "Muslims are offended" erases that in my opinion. It's important to say this because Muslims are not a homogeneous group, and defending the offended islamists erases human rights for many liberal Muslims too. This happens in the middle east quite a lot where journalists (often Muslims themselves) are punished for "insulting Islam", so it's crucial we don't pander to these people who are too easily offended for their sake too.
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#18
RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
The logic behind this sort of apologism is, "what were they thinking annoying the muslims! they'll fucking kill us all!!"

It's bigotry masquerading as compassion and it's extremely annoying that in some circles this is seen as the liberal position. Can you imagine a single person defending a Christian or a member of any other religion if they killed someone for offending their particular deity?
“The larger the group, the more toxic, the more of your beauty as an individual you have to surrender for the sake of group thought. And when you suspend your individual beauty you also give up a lot of your humanity. You will do things in the name of a group that you would never do on your own. Injuring, hurting, killing, drinking are all part of it, because you've lost your identity, because you now owe your allegiance to this thing that's bigger than you are and that controls you.”  - George Carlin
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#19
RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
(June 8, 2015 at 8:40 am)polar bear Wrote: Lets put this whole situation in perspective.

Victim blaming is not what we should be talking about.  What we need to talk about is the gun culture of Texas.  It is a state that encourages all people to own a gun and exercise their 2nd amendment rights.  The way I see it, right or wrong this is the side affect of an unchecked gun culture like you see in Texas.

Why should we talk about gun culture? This is clearly about radical Islamic apologism.

Gun rights don't mean a thing - that's how radical Islamist got their hands on them in Australia, radical Muslims, or any radical can get guns if they really want them.
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RE: Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?
(June 8, 2015 at 9:24 am)whateverist Wrote: The "Draw Mohammed" event was sophomoric and puerile.  I can tap into the pleasure of low humor but I'm not going to do it just to be offensive in a mean way.  But I can appreciate most of Bill Maher's religious humor.

I disagree. The purpose of the event was not to be mean or petty but to serve notice to Muslims that they cannot silence us. I think it's very important that they get that into their heads. Even more importantly, it draws attention to the all-important issue of free-speech. This right is frequently threatened by well-meaning individuals who haven't thought through the implications of silencing people on ANY subject.

The Draw Mohammed event never would have happened but for the insane reactions of Muslims. They need to get the message: The more you try to intimidate us into acting a certain way, the more we'll do the exact opposite.
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