So me and rhythms who I have a love/hate relationship with got into about amalgamation of pagan festivities into christian doctrines. I said that Jehovah's witnesses have gotten rid of the pagan customs in their modern day beliefs but he said that we're full of them. I would like to know what they are. And if it goes back to hellenism and how the jews started it around 2 B.C.E. then thats fine too.
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Hellenism and all christians
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Crickets seriously? Come on rhythms, I know you got shit to talk
Could you name a few? I don't know anything about JW except that they keep sending sweet, grandmotherly, little old ladies to my door which makes it very difficult for me to refuse the Watch Tower magazine.
 (June 23, 2015 at 11:03 am)Nope Wrote: Could you name a few? I don't know anything about JW except that they keep sending sweet, grandmotherly, little old ladies to my door which makes it very difficult for me to refuse the Watch Tower magazine. Doesn't the watch tower sound like a lord of the rings book! You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  (June 23, 2015 at 11:05 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Doesn't the watch tower sound like a lord of the rings book! Personally I'm more reminded of Steven King's Dark Tower. ![[Image: Bumper+Sticker+-+Asheville+-+Praise+Dog3.JPG]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-d-3rfdI7nG0%2FTerwtFyFXoI%2FAAAAAAAACak%2F7kFSmHeVrng%2Fs320%2FBumper%2BSticker%2B-%2BAsheville%2B-%2BPraise%2BDog3.JPG)
RE: Hellenism and all christians
June 23, 2015 at 11:13 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2015 at 11:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)
A more accurate thread title would probably be "Hellenism and -all- of Western Civilization". /twocents
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What is the thread about? I don't understand the OP
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
It's about the contention that by doing away with christmas, JW's have somehow managed to avoid the influence of one of the most dominating and long lasting cultural influences in all of history. Also known as: a desperate need to be different.
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 RE: Hellenism and all christians
June 23, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2015 at 12:09 pm by Metis.)
The JW's didn't remove Hellenistic influences; they did take action to make their religion less Hellenistic but in practice they just pulled their religion out of Christianity entirely.
The "pagan" influences are things like celebrating Easter, they don't do it because they believe the date chosen by the west was picked to coincide with previous pagan holy days. They're absolutely correct, they were. However, it doesn't really matter what day is chosen for them according to the very oldest branches of Christianity, the Russian Orthodox for instance celebrate Christmas during mid January. All that matters is that the occasion is observed at some point during the year which the JW's of course don't do. The other thing they did was "purge Gods words", a.k.a they made their own "translation" of the Old and New Testament that JW's are told are the only version of the Bible they can read since it has been "purified" of Hellenism. What actually happened was they rewrote pretty much the entire damn thing, and a JW bible says Book of Mormon level crazy shit you won't see in any other version. For instance Jesus apparently didn't die on the cross, and he's also the Archangel Michael not just the son of God (so reincarnation is also a thing in JW theology, which is odd since they also teach there is no afterlife for all but the 144,000). Jehova and Yahweh are also two different people go figure. I don't know what's funnier, the fact they believe it or the fact JEHOVA is actually a bastardization of Jove (Jupiter/Zeus). So yeah, they're actually Zeus' Witnesses not Jesus'. Also the Wachtowers concept of the "invisible return" of Jesus smacks very strongly of the Classical deities descending from Olympus to walk amongst mortals as they did in Homers Odyssey and Illiad. The fact they're claiming not to be Hellenised is nothing short of hilarious, of all the Christian denominations they're one of the worst for it! Even the Catholics and Greek Orthodox don't claim fucking Zeus is an aspect (not trinity, JW's don't believe in a trinity but they do accept a partnership of Archangel Michael, Jehovah/Zeus and Yahweh) of the one God. |
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