Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

[Thumpalumpacus]

So where does evidence come in?

From God where else[?]

[...]

From reality, for those who aren't addle-brained.

[Bob Kelso]

1. Obi-Wan Kenobi died in a lightsabre duel.
2. Kenobi's apprentice and former master saw he had risen and appeared to them.
3. Darth Vader, the persecutor of the Jedi, was suddenly changed.
4. Han Solo, the sceptical pilot for Kenobi, was suddenly changed.
5. Kenobi's robes were found to be empty.

This is proof of what, maybe your ability not to be able to distinguish reality from the movie screen.

GC

Someone please tell me we have a Hall of Irony here, oh god my sides.

[rexbeccarox]

This is proof of what, maybe your ability not to be able to distinguish reality from the movie screen.

GC

Someone please tell me we have a Hall of Irony here, oh god my sides.

Make one! This would be a decent start.

[Tonus]

There really is no emotion that would favor the devil's offer.  Even stuff that isn't practical would favor taking god's offer.  Any story where so few people make such a clear and obvious choice has to be suspect.  It goes against everything we know about ourselves as a species and as individuals.

You must not pay much attention to what's going on in the world, it's money, wealth, things, all the things Satan would have use to pay attention to, why, so we will be distracted from God. He pulled this on Eve, he told he of the great wealth of knowledge she would gain, again and again greed.

I am unaware of anyone today who had it made clear to him by god and satan that they both exist and that they have something to offer. Eve, for example, knew god personally and spoke with the serpent directly. If she understood the stakes, she chose a path which she knew would lead to her death. The Israelites who were freed from bondage by god saw his hand in action directly. They knew what god offered and what he was capable of. Jesus' disciples knew him personally and saw him in action. They knew who god was and what he could and would do.

Even Christians today do not claim to experience god or Jesus in this manner. If people are driven by certain desires --that often can be identified as evolutionary traits-- in the absence of any gods, that makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is when people who knew god --on the basis that the Biblical characters did-- nonetheless make decisions that can only possibly end badly, when the only other option was the best possible outcome ever. Unless they were clinically insane or abysmally stupid, there is no way they make such a bad choice.

[KevinM1]

Man, it's like GC never read Genesis 2:17, which is the only warning god gave Adam and Eve about eating the Fruit. "Don't eat it, or even touch it, or you shall surely die." The warning makes it seem that the Fruit itself will kill them, not god as a result of exiling them and cursing them.

Regarding their naivety, their sudden lack of naivety in all of chapter 3 is what tipped god off that they ate the Fruit.

So, again, the point remains - god created a horribly designed garden. He didn't baby proof it at all, and he blames the baby for what happened. Not an entity I would willingly follow.

[Ravenshire]

Good thing you're using a minimal facts approach since there are so few facts in evidence for the claims being made.

[abaris]

Why do you think Adam and Eve were naked?

Because god likes to watch?

[Ravenshire]

So where does evidence come in?

From God where else, it's a personal relationship, God deals with each one who accepts his Son in ways that benefit them.

GC

This is not evidence, even by the loosest definition of the term.

[ignoramus]

QUOTE

"7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons"

So got "invented man woman and Janome sewing machines (with the builtin apron pattern) at the same time!

[Godscreated]

Man, it's like GC never read Genesis 2:17, which is the only warning god gave Adam and Eve about eating the Fruit.  "Don't eat it, or even touch it, or you shall surely die."  The warning makes it seem that the Fruit itself will kill them, not god as a result of exiling them and cursing them.

Regarding their naivety, their sudden lack of naivety in all of chapter 3 is what tipped god off that they ate the Fruit.

So, again, the point remains - god created a horribly designed garden.  He didn't baby proof it at all, and he blames the baby for what happened.  Not an entity I would willingly follow.

You opened yourself for this so take it and shut up. Eve's the one who added to God's commandment the words "even touch it," God never said that, so now we know who lives by the hearsay and not by actually reading the Bible, what a dope you have made of yourself, thanks for the opportunity to vent a little. A good weekend to you.

GC