Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach

[abaris]

What are you talking about? If you want to get spiritual, then you yourself are made complete from a trinity. Body, soul and spirit. does this make you three different people? Does it require three different people to be a  husband,father, and son? Or can one person be all three?

Think about it.

I guess, you need to reflect on that a little bit deeper, since all three - according to the trinity - are god.

So god, an eternal being, can't die in the first place. And never mind the fact that Jesus (god) supposedly atoned for a sin god (god) created in the first place.

[Huggy Bear]

I guess, you need to reflect on that a little bit deeper, since all three - according to the trinity - are god.

exactly.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Exodus 3:14

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:57-59

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

Notice the "which is, and which was, and which is to come" part? hes telling you right there hes all three...

So god, an eternal being, can't die in the first place. And never mind the fact that Jesus (god) supposedly atoned for a sin god (god) created in the first place.

All things must happen according to scripture, God is bound by his word. in Hebrew law there was what you call a kinsman redeemer. If a person sold himself into slavery for instance, a close male relative had the right to redeem him back.

Leviticus 25
47 And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family:
48 After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him:
49 Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself.
50 And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him.

Adam lost all creation through sin (unbelief), therefor it took one who was without sin to buy it back.

Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? - Jesus Christ John 8:46

Angels are without sin, but they have no relation to us (they aren't human).
So God himself became our kinsman (human) in order to buy back what Adam had lost, with his own blood.

Got it?

[Longhorn]

1+1+1=/=1

Got it?

[abaris]

I guess, you need to reflect on that a little bit deeper, since all three - according to the trinity - are god.

exactly.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Exodus 3:14

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:57-59

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

Notice the "which is, and which was, and which is to come" part? hes telling you right there hes all three...

So god, an eternal being, can't die in the first place. And never mind the fact that Jesus (god) supposedly atoned for a sin god (god) created in the first place.

All things must happen according to scripture, God is bound by his word. in Hebrew law there was what you call a kinsman redeemer. If a person sold himself into slavery for instance, a close male relative had the right to redeem him back.

Leviticus 25
47 And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family:
48 After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him:
49 Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself.
50 And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him.

Adam lost all creation through sin (unbelief), therefor it took one who was without sin to buy it back.

Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? - Jesus Christ John 8:46

Angels are without sin, but they have no relation to us (they aren't human).
So God himself became our kinsman (human) in order to buy back what Adam had lost, with his own blood.

Got it?

I said reflect, not bible thump. Reflect, as in using ones own head.

[Huggy Bear]

I said reflect, not bible thump. Reflect, as in using ones own head.

Just showing you have no clue what you're talking about biblically.

Pro-tip, if you don't want to hear bible based answers, don't enter a thread discussing bible based events.

[Cato]

Some godboy you've got there. Impervious to infection, but has a huge fucking problem with pointy objects.

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. - Jesus Christ John 10:17-18

So, your god's a masochist then. Charming.

[Napoléon]

Considering that the average body's organs start to decay within a 24-72 hour period and begins to bloat within 3 days while keeping in mind that the condition of a body that was beaten and crucified isn't exactly average to begin with.... yeah. Pretty sure there was some decay going on. Twit.

You do realize that Jesus rose on the morning of the third day, so that falls well within your 24-72 hour period....

I know I'm going back in this thread, but can I just say, this entire exchange is fucking gold. Huggy you are one of a kind.

[Cato]

Angels are without sin, but they have no relation to us (they aren't human).
So God himself became our kinsman (human) in order to buy back what Adam had lost, with his own blood.

Got it?

So, god's a drama queen. It's all a charade knowing the easiest thing to do was simply forgive.

Your Bible spam is like studying plot points from a Harry Potter novel. We know there was no Adam; therefore, no original sin and subsequent fall of all mankind; therefore, no need for a redeemer; therefore, no Jesus as portrayed in the NT. This means The Bible is mostly bullshit and you and your ilk are trying to live reality through the lens of mythology. Inundating us with Bible verses is just relaying parts of the story that many of us already know, it proves nothing but your credulity.

[robvalue]

1. Something being written in a book doesn't make it true
2. Lots of people saying that a book contains the truth doesn't make it true
3. Science bitches
4. Go learn something

[Anomalocaris]

*you're, like in 'you're a fucking idiot'.

Are you claiming that Jesus was whipped, beaten and nailed to a cross without even one wound becoming infected in the times when demons substituted the germ theory?

Are you really that fucking dumb?

No, you intellectually dishonest cretin. The wound does not take longer than six hours to be infected. An infection can happen virtually instantly, like Kev noted, and it would be fucking miraculous if after all that flogging, beating and hammering with obviously unsterilized nails the wound DIDN'T become infected.

*emphasis mine*
Ironic that you used the term miraculous.

His whole life was miraculous you muppet.    We're speaking of Jesus here, you know... God in human form, virgin birth, walking on water, people being healed of disease just by touching him, and you speculate that he may have suffered from infection....


Do yourself a favor, sit down and shut up.

The only thing miraculous, and not in any good way, is over confident gullible fools like you could believe any that bullshit in the 21st century.