Why can't most Christians understand the need for separation of religion and govt?

[Mystical]

Well said, everyone. Minimalist.. Flaming assholes?

I guess I'm just surprised at how openly religiously theistic presidential candidates for the Republican Party are, this year. For that matter racist too. I feel like I'm watching a race that was held in the 1950s, not in the new millennium fgs! Are these candidates just completely off the mark with the population as a whole--by throwing any decorum of professionalism out the window and promising that they'll rule with gods iron fist-- or is the population as a whole like minded as well? I can't seem to rectify this blatant disregard for government and fairness, with the type of Christianity that I practiced. For instance if I were to have held a public office, I would have seen it as my Christian duty to serve in the best interest of my constituents and be unbiased despite what I believed personally (or religiously ) about an issue. Because honesty in ones work is valued in the eyes of god and such and such. Even the issue of abortion and contraception, which is a hot topic for Christians. I'm truly shocked that the one person most Christians believe to be the inerrant speaker for god (the Pope), is being ostracized by his own following for being honest about global warming. Who are these people who think they know better and how many of them are there and why has things in America especially become so radical and out-dated? Still looking for some Christian feedback on this one..

[robvalue]

I just figured out what we need!

A Christian theocracy AR simulator. Stick those anti secular nobs in it, and see how long they can stand it before screaming to be let out.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Well said, everyone. Minimalist.. Flaming assholes?

I guess I'm just surprised at how openly religiously theistic presidential candidates for the Republican Party are, this year. For that matter racist too. I feel like I'm watching a race that was held in the 1950s, not in the new millennium fgs! Are these candidates just completely off the mark with the population as a whole--by throwing any decorum of professionalism out the window and promising that they'll rule with gods iron fist-- or is the population as a whole like minded as well? I can't seem to rectify this blatant disregard for government and fairness, with the type of Christianity that I practiced. For instance if I were to have held a public office, I would have seen it as my Christian duty to serve in the best interest of my constituents and be unbiased despite what I believed personally (or religiously ) about an issue. Because honesty in ones work is valued in the eyes of god and such and such. Even the issue of abortion and contraception, which is a hot topic for Christians. I'm truly shocked that the one person most Christians believe to be the inerrant speaker for god (the Pope), is being ostracized by his own following for being honest about global warming. Who are these people who think they know better and how many of them are there and why has things in America especially become so radical and out-dated? Still looking for some Christian feedback on this one..

The Repub candidates should have lived in the 2nd Century Middle East instead of in 21st Century America.  But the fact that millions of dummies support them shows that millions of idiots want to live in the 2nd Century as well.

[Cephus]

There is a particularly vocal subset of Christianity who really wants power, they remember when Christianity had power in the past and they want it back. Anything that messes with that power, anything that gets in the way of their undue influence, gets decried as discrimination and a war on Christianity.

These people are idiots.

[KevinM1]

Well said, everyone. Minimalist.. Flaming assholes?

I guess I'm just surprised at how openly religiously theistic presidential candidates for the Republican Party are, this year. For that matter racist too. I feel like I'm watching a race that was held in the 1950s, not in the new millennium fgs! Are these candidates just completely off the mark with the population as a whole--by throwing any decorum of professionalism out the window and promising that they'll rule with gods iron fist-- or is the population as a whole like minded as well? I can't seem to rectify this blatant disregard for government and fairness, with the type of Christianity that I practiced. For instance if I were to have held a public office, I would have seen it as my Christian duty to serve in the best interest of my constituents and be unbiased despite what I believed personally (or religiously ) about an issue. Because honesty in ones work is valued in the eyes of god and such and such. Even the issue of abortion and contraception, which is a hot topic for Christians. I'm truly shocked that the one person most Christians believe to be the inerrant speaker for god (the Pope), is being ostracized by his own following for being honest about global warming. Who are these people who think they know better and how many of them are there and why has things in America especially become so radical and out-dated? Still looking for some Christian feedback on this one..

According to the numbers, the only denomination that's gaining members in the US are the evangelicals.  And they take a dim view of more moderate denominations, like Catholicism.

Regarding the presidential candidates, the Republicans have always been split between the money people (business interests, military industrial complex, prison industry) and the religious people.  Now, their interests intersect quite often, but the money people are smart enough to know that too much lunacy is bad for business.  God's nice and all, but money is real.  The problem is that the religious people took over the Tea Party.

A lot of people don't remember this, but the Tea Party started off as a libertarian astroturf movement by the Pauls and their allies to protest what they saw as government overreach with taxes in general and the bank bailouts in particular.  It was quickly co-opted by lunatic Christian conservatives, and they now basically exist only to try to make things like they were ~2000 years ago because they think biblical times were the bee's knees and the Federal government is evil by definition.

The Tea Party holds a disproportionate amount of power in the GOP.  They're shrill and militant, and their followers vote, period.  So, during this pre-primary phase, every conservative candidate pulls hard right in an attempt to appease the wackos.  And it generally backfires, because the majority of the country isn't like that, so the Republican candidate must attempt to move back towards the center, but in doing so, they appear disingenuous to both sides.  

It's hard to walk away from crazy.  The moderates think you're actually crazy and are trying to appear sane while the crazy think you were never crazy to begin with.  Mitt Romney is a classic example.  Yeah, he's Mormon, but he's fairly liberal compared to the Tea Party people.  His clumsy attempt to be all things to all people backfired.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Well said, everyone. Minimalist.. Flaming assholes?

I guess I'm just surprised at how openly religiously theistic presidential candidates for the Republican Party are, this year. For that matter racist too. I feel like I'm watching a race that was held in the 1950s, not in the new millennium fgs! Are these candidates just completely off the mark with the population as a whole--by throwing any decorum of professionalism out the window and promising that they'll rule with gods iron fist-- or is the population as a whole like minded as well? I can't seem to rectify this blatant disregard for government and fairness, with the type of Christianity that I practiced. For instance if I were to have held a public office, I would have seen it as my Christian duty to serve in the best interest of my constituents and be unbiased despite what I believed personally (or religiously ) about an issue. Because honesty in ones work is valued in the eyes of god and such and such. Even the issue of abortion and contraception, which is a hot topic for Christians. I'm truly shocked that the one person most Christians believe to be the inerrant speaker for god (the Pope), is being ostracized by his own following for being honest about global warming. Who are these people who think they know better and how many of them are there and why has things in America especially become so radical and out-dated? Still looking for some Christian feedback on this one..

According to the numbers, the only denomination that's gaining members in the US are the evangelicals.  And they take a dim view of more moderate denominations, like Catholicism.

Regarding the presidential candidates, the Republicans have always been split between the money people (business interests, military industrial complex, prison industry) and the religious people.  Now, their interests intersect quite often, but the money people are smart enough to know that too much lunacy is bad for business.  God's nice and all, but money is real.  The problem is that the religious people took over the Tea Party.

A lot of people don't remember this, but the Tea Party started off as a libertarian astroturf movement by the Pauls and their allies to protest what they saw as government overreach with taxes in general and the bank bailouts in particular.  It was quickly co-opted by lunatic Christian conservatives, and they now basically exist only to try to make things like they were ~2000 years ago because they think biblical times were the bee's knees and the Federal government is evil by definition.

The Tea Party holds a disproportionate amount of power in the GOP.  They're shrill and militant, and their followers vote, period.  So, during this pre-primary phase, every conservative candidate pulls hard right in an attempt to appease the wackos.  And it generally backfires, because the majority of the country isn't like that, so the Republican candidate must attempt to move back towards the center, but in doing so, they appear disingenuous to both sides.  

It's hard to walk away from crazy.  The moderates think you're actually crazy and are trying to appear sane while the crazy think you were never crazy to begin with.  Mitt Romney is a classic example.  Yeah, he's Mormon, but he's fairly liberal compared to the Tea Party people.  His clumsy attempt to be all things to all people backfired.

Can you really trust a lunatic who thinks that he's going to become a god with his own planet and harem after he croaks?  Congress is cluttered with such lunatics.

[doomed]

Because some theists believe that there can't be moral without their god(s) laws put into the society. There are believers that even think that atheists are immoral just because of their lack of religion. I already talked to a woman that I could trust about my issues and I felt the need to hide my views on the Christian God because she thinks that you can't have a happy life without God, so she'd give me the advice of read the Bible, go to the church, etcetera... You might've been a theist in the past, but look at where you are now. Most people are unable to give up their religion like you did.

[Mystical]

According to the numbers, the only denomination that's gaining members in the US are the evangelicals.  And they take a dim view of more moderate denominations, like Catholicism.

Regarding the presidential candidates, the Republicans have always been split between the money people (business interests, military industrial complex, prison industry) and the religious people.  Now, their interests intersect quite often, but the money people are smart enough to know that too much lunacy is bad for business.  God's nice and all, but money is real.  The problem is that the religious people took over the Tea Party.

A lot of people don't remember this, but the Tea Party started off as a libertarian astroturf movement by the Pauls and their allies to protest what they saw as government overreach with taxes in general and the bank bailouts in particular.  It was quickly co-opted by lunatic Christian conservatives, and they now basically exist only to try to make things like they were ~2000 years ago because they think biblical times were the bee's knees and the Federal government is evil by definition.

The Tea Party holds a disproportionate amount of power in the GOP.  They're shrill and militant, and their followers vote, period.  So, during this pre-primary phase, every conservative candidate pulls hard right in an attempt to appease the wackos.  And it generally backfires, because the majority of the country isn't like that, so the Republican candidate must attempt to move back towards the center, but in doing so, they appear disingenuous to both sides.  

It's hard to walk away from crazy.  The moderates think you're actually crazy and are trying to appear sane while the crazy think you were never crazy to begin with.  Mitt Romney is a classic example.  Yeah, he's Mormon, but he's fairly liberal compared to the Tea Party people.  His clumsy attempt to be all things to all people backfired.

This is the best answer I got I think.. Very helpful, thank you for helping me to understand. :
When I was in high school (in Kansas), our government teacher helped all of us register to vote after showing us political videos of the republican candidates. The year was 2004. The democrats weren't mentioned much lol.
At the time (and I cringe now at the thought), I chose Huckabee to be my favorite and of course I registered as a Republican! I think I'm still registered there as such since I haven't voted in. Kansas since. This upcoming election terrifies me, to be honest. Mainly because of how well the republicans can blame shift. For example the governor of Kansas pretty much bankrupt the state with his "no taxes for business will trickle down a miracle" plan. I heard this idea started with Rush Limbaugh and the mindset that taxes killed Jesus somehow. Anyone remember what thAt was all about? I was quite too ill at the time to bother with politics. If Brownback hadn't been able to ss d 1steal Obamas bailout money set aside for the elderly to pay for their medicines and such to balance his huge hole in the budget.. Anyways long story short Kansans are suffering. Workers were laid off in the tens of thousands so the employers could pocket the money, utility companies quadrupled their price one month with no warning, Even the WIC program was cut and sent over to be a privately church sponsored program! Imagine being a single mother with a baby and having to go to a snobby church just to get milk and cereal supplements -- or worse, childcare!But anyone I'd ask (mostly foreigner taxi drivers, small town church goers, and students at my apartments) when I was living there last year would quickly blame Obama for everything. Since I've moved away they actually re elected Brownback as governor! This, is frightening to me. Anyone who openly or secretly endorses their religion as being superior to the rules set in place that they are supposed to follow and uphold --scares the living daylights out of me!

[KevinM1]

According to the numbers, the only denomination that's gaining members in the US are the evangelicals.  And they take a dim view of more moderate denominations, like Catholicism.

Regarding the presidential candidates, the Republicans have always been split between the money people (business interests, military industrial complex, prison industry) and the religious people.  Now, their interests intersect quite often, but the money people are smart enough to know that too much lunacy is bad for business.  God's nice and all, but money is real.  The problem is that the religious people took over the Tea Party.

A lot of people don't remember this, but the Tea Party started off as a libertarian astroturf movement by the Pauls and their allies to protest what they saw as government overreach with taxes in general and the bank bailouts in particular.  It was quickly co-opted by lunatic Christian conservatives, and they now basically exist only to try to make things like they were ~2000 years ago because they think biblical times were the bee's knees and the Federal government is evil by definition.

The Tea Party holds a disproportionate amount of power in the GOP.  They're shrill and militant, and their followers vote, period.  So, during this pre-primary phase, every conservative candidate pulls hard right in an attempt to appease the wackos.  And it generally backfires, because the majority of the country isn't like that, so the Republican candidate must attempt to move back towards the center, but in doing so, they appear disingenuous to both sides.  

It's hard to walk away from crazy.  The moderates think you're actually crazy and are trying to appear sane while the crazy think you were never crazy to begin with.  Mitt Romney is a classic example.  Yeah, he's Mormon, but he's fairly liberal compared to the Tea Party people.  His clumsy attempt to be all things to all people backfired.

This is the best answer I got I think.. Very helpful, thank you for helping me to understand. :
When I was in high school (in Kansas), our government teacher helped all of us register to vote after showing us political videos of the republican candidates. The year was 2004. The democrats weren't mentioned much lol.
At the time (and I cringe now at the thought), I chose Huckabee to be my favorite and of course I registered as a Republican! I think I'm still registered there as such since I haven't voted in. Kansas since. This upcoming election terrifies me, to be honest. Mainly because of how well the republicans can blame shift. For example the governor of Kansas pretty much bankrupt the state with his "no taxes for business will trickle down a miracle" plan. I heard this idea started with Rush Limbaugh and the mindset that taxes killed Jesus somehow. Anyone remember what thAt was all about? I was quite too ill at the time to bother with politics. If Brownback hadn't been able to ss d 1steal Obamas bailout money set aside for the elderly to pay for their medicines and such to balance his huge hole in the budget.. Anyways long story short Kansans are suffering. Workers were laid off in the tens of thousands so the employers could pocket the money, utility companies quadrupled their price one month with no warning, Even the WIC program was cut and sent over to be a privately church sponsored program! Imagine being a single mother with a baby and having to go to a snobby church just to get milk and cereal supplements -- or worse, childcare!But anyone I'd ask (mostly foreigner taxi drivers, small town church goers, and students at my apartments) when I was living there last year would quickly blame Obama for everything. Since I've moved away they actually re elected Brownback as governor! This, is frightening to me. Anyone who openly or secretly endorses their religion as being superior to the rules set in place that they are supposed to follow and uphold --scares the living daylights out of me!

High school. In 2004. Shit, I'm old :p

Kansas is a very special case. It is literally the Tea Party platform in action, and it is, as you say, failing miserably. Regulations are necessary, social services are necessary, and private business entitles aren't the solution to every problem.

And, really, overtly Christian politicians wouldn't be bad if they emulated a lot of Christ's teachings. Turn thy cheek, love thy neighbor, love thy enemy, his overall message of charity... all of the things they point to as to why they feel their religion is good in action. Instead, they're a bunch of misanthropic, misogynistic, greedy, anti-science assholes who believe that their twisted vision of Ronald Reagan's policies (all the economic bloat with even less to show for it, amen) are the way to go. Not because it'll help the people, but because it'll further line their pockets.

They blame Obama simply because dismissing liberalism out of hand is what people like that do. It can't be their sloppy attempt at deregulation, austerity, and privatization that's to blame, because that would mean the liberals were right and Supply Side Jesus and Patron Saint Reagan were wrong. Can't admit that, change course, and vote in your (meaning their) best interests.

I'm not freaking out about the candidates yet because it's way too early. The poll numbers don't mean anything right now. The primaries start in late January. The numbers won't start becoming meaningful until October. And I say that across the board. Trump's just as much of a mirage as Sanders right now. I'm not convinced they have staying power. So, IMO it's not worth fretting over until we see who the real front runners are. And, really, all of the GOP candidates have glaring problems.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I like that the Republicans are fielding more religious candidates. The know-nothings like Huckabee who take pride in their ignorant principles scare the Wall Street wing of the party. The party is misreading the tea leaves, because those who vote on a religious basis are a dwindling number. By courting them and ignoring Wall Street, the Republicans court electoral loss.

I think Rubio will win the Republican nomination, because 1) he's electable, 2) he's pliant to the will of big business, 3) he's religious without being obnoxious about it, and 4) he will help draw the Latino vote. Bush has a shot as well, for the same reasons (in differing proportions).