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8 atheist leaders actually worth listening to
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Another theist convinced me to return.
 RE: 8 atheist leaders actually worth listening to
July 10, 2015 at 7:27 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2015 at 7:28 pm by Cato.)
 
I am my own leader.
  RE: 8 atheist leaders actually worth listening to
July 10, 2015 at 8:02 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 10, 2015 at 6:06 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: What is "organized atheism" but a slippery slope toward movements like A+? Yes, and go tell that to Richard Dawkins People stop bitching - If you don't like the idea of atheists having leaders you should go tell that to those who organize themselves and appoint them. Any group can organize itself with common interest and pick leaders and rules, it's actually a normal social feature. Atheists are no exception. Are you sad about this? Ok, then stop taking the four horsemen's stand as if it was special or even intellectually consistent.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
 (July 10, 2015 at 6:26 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The following scriptures are relevant: Let me stop you right there. No they're fucking not.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42) Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com 
Willing to listen to their positions. Not willing to call them leaders or necessarily agree. Same as with any other atheist.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(July 10, 2015 at 8:26 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Willing to listen to their positions. Not willing to call them leaders or necessarily agree. Same as with any other atheist. I have the same position, but here's the thing - What you and I think is irrelevant because we can't control people's actions. Whether we like it or not, there are atheist organizations, associations and movements that bound atheists together for many causes (usually secularism and promoting atheism, coming out of the closet, and anti-theism) - Those organizations appoint leaders like any other, and are prone to dogma and groupthinking. If there's an atheist organization with a leader, that person is an atheist leader - not a leader to all atheists, but to those who support or are part of the organization. Richard Dawkins is certainly a leader to some atheists and he is full of people on twitter telling him how much he is awesome and how his books rock and are perfect. You also realize that religionists can have the same position, right? Any Christian can say they don't believe in the Pope, or that the pope is just a guy with some opinion, there isn't a legal or political obligation to obey the Pope. If people want to stop hearing about atheist leaders (Some are self-appointed), atheist events, atheist conventions, etc, they can stop supporting those groups trough words or merely quoting famous atheists all the time. Seriously, there are arguments debunking theism since Epicurus, Dawkins and his legion of followers are not a special case.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
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