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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 13, 2015 at 11:05 am
Time for me to do a recap thread discussing this.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 11:03 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 10:06 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Christians rejoice in the Second Advent because it means the restoration of all things: a new heaven and a new earth (Rev 21:1) and He will wipe the tears from our eyes (Rev 7:17 and 21:4).
Way to cherry-pick two verses from a book and ignore all the parts about how he will only do those things for about 144,000 Jews and the rest of us will fry in Hell. Did you somehow miss that? The quoted verses neatly summarize the context of Revelation. Other verses regarding the fate of the wicked demonstrate the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 13, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 11:03 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Way to cherry-pick two verses from a book and ignore all the parts about how he will only do those things for about 144,000 Jews and the rest of us will fry in Hell. Did you somehow miss that? The quoted verses neatly summarize the context of Revelation. Other verses regarding the fate of the wicked demonstrate the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
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No. Absolutely not. You do not get to yank two verses out, claim that as the context of the book, and then try to sweep all the death and torture under the carpet by describing it without all the death and torture. It does not work that way.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 13, 2015 at 10:36 pm
(July 12, 2015 at 10:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 12, 2015 at 10:05 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: But how do you determine that one part is real while other parts aren't?!? Is it just acceptance of what's spoon fed to you or is there some actual process?
The stories in the OT sound very bizarre to me, and were written thousands of years ago when writing style could very possibly be different. So it would make sense to believe they are not historically accurate. Especially the story of Genesis, of which there is evidence that proves it's impossible it could have happened literally as it is written.
So, writing style and evidence to the contrary, but mostly writing style. Seems a strange litmus test of truthfulness to me.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 14, 2015 at 7:02 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The quoted verses neatly summarize the context of Revelation. Other verses regarding the fate of the wicked demonstrate the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
Yeah, when the Borg come to take you all away.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 14, 2015 at 10:18 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 7:02 pm)IATIA Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The quoted verses neatly summarize the context of Revelation. Other verses regarding the fate of the wicked demonstrate the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
Yeah, when the Borg come to take you all away.
Won't that be a triumph of evil over equal evil?!?
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 14, 2015 at 11:04 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 10:18 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 7:02 pm)IATIA Wrote: Yeah, when the Borg come to take you all away.
Won't that be a triumph of evil over equal evil?!?
 they can all get anal probed but ill be sitting back while nations start lobbing nukes at the borg cube.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 15, 2015 at 4:45 am
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(July 13, 2015 at 10:36 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (July 12, 2015 at 10:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The stories in the OT sound very bizarre to me, and were written thousands of years ago when writing style could very possibly be different. So it would make sense to believe they are not historically accurate. Especially the story of Genesis, of which there is evidence that proves it's impossible it could have happened literally as it is written.
So, writing style and evidence to the contrary, but mostly writing style. Seems a strange litmus test of truthfulness to me.
Hmm, if writing style is an issue then Richard Carrier holds that the NT is written in exactly the style you would expect from mythmaking/storytelling, rather than reporting history. Not a good sign for expecting facts out of it.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 15, 2015 at 7:05 am
Watched it all Rob... Very interesting watching him talk... Ta.
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RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 15, 2015 at 7:26 am
late arrival here, both are tempting options actually, but since my boss wants me to submit that damn report by this weekend, I am choosing to damn humanity before then 
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