Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[robvalue]

I have a big problem in that I can't even understand what some people's beliefs are, because they don't describe it using words that mean anything to me. They use words which I instantly have to ask what they mean, and then I get another load of stuff that makes no sense, and I ask about that...

It rarely gets as far as something actually real. So they may understand what they are talking about, but I sure don't.

[Little Rik]

It is not possible. Very good argument Rik, very smart.  *applause*
Now all you have left to do is to show evidence for something that is NOT physical which cannot be understood by using a physical tool.

Is a pity that you are not paying attention to what i already explained several times.
I said...........CAN YOU GIVE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE?
Suppose someone pop up and ask you that question?
What would you say?
You probably would say....OF COURSE I AM IN LOVE WITH SUCH AND SUCH A PERSON.
But that pedantic nutter will not believe.
How would you explain then considering that love is something within very hard to extrapolate except
when you love someone?
Not easy son but now consider this.
Physical love is hard enough to extrapolate so how can extrapolate something a lot more subtle like
spiritual love?
Maybe (as i already said) in the future will invent something able to see deep inside who knows.
In the past highly spiritual people were represented with an aura or aureola on the head.
In the meantime the only way to reveal whether God exist or not is to engage in spirituality.
By digging deep within in your subconscious you will be able to find the real gold and have evidence that God is there.  

In another thread you post............If they want to come in here and intellectually hang themselves.......
By writing this you imply that my posts resulted in rubbish that i should be ashamed of but in fact i denuded all your dogmas therefore you do have one more dogma by believing that you are correct when in fact you are wrong.  

Wut the....  

You are one deluded child.


"Dogs flew spaceships! The Aztecs invented the vacation!  Men and women are the same sex!  Our forefathers took drugs!  Your brain is not the boss!"

— Firesign Theatre, Everything You Know Is Wrong

Sure, sure you are always right but please can you help LR to understand how evolution works.  

[Little Rik]

It is not possible. Very good argument Rik, very smart.  *applause*
Now all you have left to do is to show evidence for something that is NOT physical which cannot be understood by using a physical tool.

Is a pity that you are not paying attention to what i already explained several times.
I said...........CAN YOU GIVE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE?
Suppose someone pop up and ask you that question?
What would you say?
You probably would say....OF COURSE I AM IN LOVE WITH SUCH AND SUCH A PERSON.
But that pedantic nutter will not believe.
How would you explain then considering that love is something within very hard to extrapolate except
when you love someone?
Not easy son but now consider this.
Physical love is hard enough to extrapolate so how can extrapolate something a lot more subtle like
spiritual love?
Maybe (as i already said) in the future will invent something able to see deep inside who knows.
In the past highly spiritual people were represented with an aura or aureola on the head.
In the meantime the only way to reveal whether God exist or not is to engage in spirituality.
By digging deep within in your subconscious you will be able to find the real gold and have evidence that God is there.  

Oh I see, I'm "wrong".

Thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, I have the dogma of being wrong.

I have beliefs certainly, and reasons for those beliefs. If someone successfully challenges them, then I will change them.

When people like you try to insult atheism without even understanding what it is, yes that is hanging yourself.

You got to be kidding Rob by trying to pick on me about insulting.
I have been swear at so many times that i already lost the count.
And what about the nutter calling my mother a whore?
Get lost Rob.  
Now what about insulting atheism?
I express a judgement about atheism that goes.......BY BEING ATHEIST YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPAND
YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS.......
It would be an insult IF i would say something that is not true and wouldn't be an insult if what i say is true.
By being sort of happy in this universal dimension people do not try to find a better alternative
and therefore there will not be any effort to expand the consciousness.
This Rob is pure philosophy.  
If you can not understand the meaning LR is always here to help.
Have a good day.  

[robvalue]

I said insult atheism, not insult atheists.

This entire thread is poisoning the well by trying to equate atheism and naturalism, a difference you admitted to at one point and then went back to ignoring.

The title of this thread is nonsensical, as has been pointed out endlessly. Atheism is not, by default, a belief. You just keep redefining it so that it is a belief, and then claim that this also applies to the definition we atheists actually use. This is called an equivocation fallacy. You don't get to transfer meaning between different definitions and contexts of the same word.

If you want to argue that "naturalism is an unscientific belief", that would at least make sense as a topic. I'd be very impressed if you admitted that this is what the title of the thread should be. Will you go that far?

You keep telling me my beliefs are wrong, but you never take the time to ask what my beliefs are. You're too busy telling me what they are.

[Annoyingbutnicetheist]

OP is a smart ass. Notice the grammatical space between smart and ass.

[Little Rik]

It is not possible. Very good argument Rik, very smart.  *applause*
Now all you have left to do is to show evidence for something that is NOT physical which cannot be understood by using a physical tool.

Is a pity that you are not paying attention to what i already explained several times.
I said...........CAN YOU GIVE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE?
Suppose someone pop up and ask you that question?
What would you say?
You probably would say....OF COURSE I AM IN LOVE WITH SUCH AND SUCH A PERSON.
But that pedantic nutter will not believe.
How would you explain then considering that love is something within very hard to extrapolate except
when you love someone?
Not easy son but now consider this.
Physical love is hard enough to extrapolate so how can extrapolate something a lot more subtle like
spiritual love?
Maybe (as i already said) in the future will invent something able to see deep inside who knows.
In the past highly spiritual people were represented with an aura or aureola on the head.
In the meantime the only way to reveal whether God exist or not is to engage in spirituality.
By digging deep within in your subconscious you will be able to find the real gold and have evidence that God is there.  

I said insult atheism, not insult atheists.

This entire thread is poisoning the well by trying to equate atheism and naturalism, a difference you admitted to at one point and then went back to ignoring.

The title of this thread is nonsensical, as has been pointed out endlessly. Atheism is not, by default, a belief. You just keep redefining it so that it is a belief, and then claim that this also applies to the definition we atheists actually use. This is called an equivocation fallacy. You don't get to transfer meaning between different definitions and contexts of the same word.

If you want to argue that "naturalism is an unscientific belief", that would at least make sense as a topic. I'd be very impressed if you admitted that this is what the title of the thread should be. Will you go that far?

You keep telling me my beliefs are wrong, but you never take the time to ask what my beliefs are. You're too busy telling me what they are.

To live among the other things you need air to breathe.
Something similar goes for creating an idea in your mind.
You need an input from somewhere.
As the air is an input that allow you to live also the idea is an input
and this input create a belief.
Your belief can originate from the fact that there is no evidence for something
nevertheless is a belief.
The problem with atheism is that this belief originate from the awareness of
this physical universe but to understand something that lie behind this physical universe
you need to go behind the awareness of this physical universe.
It all boil down to the fact that atheists create a believe by using the wrong science
that is why i said that atheism is unscientific as the science behind understanding
whether God exist or not used by atheists is the wrong one.  

[robvalue]

Thanks for telling me more about what I believe. Whatever would I do without you? I'd have to make my own mind up.

[Little Rik]

It is not possible. Very good argument Rik, very smart.  *applause*
Now all you have left to do is to show evidence for something that is NOT physical which cannot be understood by using a physical tool.

Is a pity that you are not paying attention to what i already explained several times.
I said...........CAN YOU GIVE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE?
Suppose someone pop up and ask you that question?
What would you say?
You probably would say....OF COURSE I AM IN LOVE WITH SUCH AND SUCH A PERSON.
But that pedantic nutter will not believe.
How would you explain then considering that love is something within very hard to extrapolate except
when you love someone?
Not easy son but now consider this.
Physical love is hard enough to extrapolate so how can extrapolate something a lot more subtle like
spiritual love?
Maybe (as i already said) in the future will invent something able to see deep inside who knows.
In the past highly spiritual people were represented with an aura or aureola on the head.
In the meantime the only way to reveal whether God exist or not is to engage in spirituality.
By digging deep within in your subconscious you will be able to find the real gold and have evidence that God is there.  

Thanks for telling me more about what I believe. Whatever would I do without you? I'd have to make my own mind up.

Don't worry Rob.  
I don't pretend that you understand what i said straight away.  
Take your time in between an input of air and and input of ideas while sipping your English tea.  

[robvalue]

OK, cool.

What do I think about old English buildings? Do I like them, or not?

[Joods]

Rik is one of those people that needs a permanent stamp on their foreheads that reads:
WARNING: Not Allowed To Procreate.