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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 12:27 am
(July 29, 2015 at 12:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Reality doesn't much care about my levels of certainty
It certainly the fuck does not; you're absolutely right, though probably not in the way you're thinking.
(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm 100% sure God exists, no doubts at all, the NT teaches that we can know God, I do.
GC
So? The Quran teaches that there is no Gaud but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet. Buddhism teaches that we can break the cycle of reincarnation by sitting perfectly still for long enough. The Lord of the Rings teaches that Gandalf sacrificed himself so that Frodo could carry the One Ring out of Morea. What's your fucking point?
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 12:33 am
(July 29, 2015 at 12:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Reality doesn't much care about my levels of certainty
No shit.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 1:30 am
(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm 100% sure God exists, no doubts at all, the NT teaches that we can know God, I do.
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Well there you go. Thanks for settling that one.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 1:31 am
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t'Krap gone already?
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 2:47 am
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(July 28, 2015 at 10:18 pm)ktrap Wrote: God (I am not christian so "God of the bible" does not apply for me, I am theist)
My parents (have existed)
My home town (still exists I hope)
Following I have not seen or visited.
Australia
Other Galaxies
Giant Squid
Based on books and maps I presume it exists, but that means I am not relying on my own observation. I am not sure what this proves?
Regarding Man-made Global Warming
I am not sure what you mean that this exist?
Are you trying to say if there were no humans at all, there would be no global-warming?
The following is just as dumb as the flying spaghetti monster.
Alien Life
Sentient Alien Life
UFO encounters (as in spaceships piloted by sentient aliens)
Ghosts
Have you seen any of these? Probably not!! Then what is the probability that alien life exists? Why is Alien life more probable then Sentient Alien Life?
If you really an atheist, you need to apply the same logic regarding the existence of Alien Life as you do regarding the existence of God. Hi ktrap 
Am I reading this right, you're more certain that God exists than that your parents existed?
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 4:20 am
(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm 100% sure God exists, no doubts at all, the NT teaches that we can know God, I do.
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It also teaches to give up all your earthly possessions and beat your slaves properly. Missed that bit eh? -_-
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 4:43 am
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I find such certainty scary.
I'm not even 100% certain that I exist in the way I appear to. I'm not certain that I have any control over what I'm doing. I'm not certain that I'm not some self-aware viewing device.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 9:00 am
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(July 29, 2015 at 12:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Reality doesn't much care about my levels of certainty
That is true, however I am genuinely interested in what Theists think. Would you mind re-ordering the list?
(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm 100% sure God exists, no doubts at all, the NT teaches that we can know God, I do.
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If you genuinely think that you can be 100% certain that something exists, then you are both arrogant and ridiculous in equal measures.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 9:36 am
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(July 28, 2015 at 11:59 pm)Kitan Wrote: No theist relies upon logic in relation to theological matters. Faith, after all, is illogical.
Well that is certainly a bold statement. It is also untrue on many levels. I can name plenty of theists who base their belief on logic and not emotion. Also, saying that faith is illogical is to completely redefine the word faith. The etymology of the word "faith" seems to have undergone a radical departure. Faith comes from the latin "fide" for which we get "fidelity". In Greek it is "pistis" from the verb "pietho" meaning to be persuaded. When you say I have faith in my friend you are making a statement of truth and reality. That he is a real person and someone you can trust.
Here is my list on the level of "certainty"
100%
My parents
My home town
Australia
Other Galaxies
95%
God of the Bible
Giant Squid
Man-made Global Warming
0%
Alien Life
Sentient Alien Life
UFO encounters (as in spaceships piloted by sentient aliens)
Ghosts
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 9:46 am
(July 29, 2015 at 9:36 am)lkingpinl Wrote: (July 28, 2015 at 11:59 pm)Kitan Wrote: No theist relies upon logic in relation to theological matters. Faith, after all, is illogical.
Well that is certainly a bold statement. It is also untrue on many levels. I can name plenty of theists who base their belief on logic and not emotion. Also, saying that faith is illogical is to completely redefine the word faith. The etymology of the word "faith" seems to have undergone a radical departure. Faith comes from the latin "fide" for which we get "fidelity". In Greek it is "pistis" from the verb "pietho" meaning to be persuaded. When you say I have faith in my friend you are making a statement of truth and reality. That he is a real person and someone you can trust.
No. Those theists THINK they have logical reasons. What they actually have is a series of logical fallacies with a wad of emotions tucked sneakily underneath.
The mere existence of Gaud is a sophisticated theological question, which means that we're not able to use faith in the general sense here. Faith, in a theological discussion like this, specifically means the belief in something without sufficient evidence to justify it. Mincing definitions is a semantic game that serves only to cloud the waters and create contention over points that are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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