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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 28, 2015 at 11:06 pm
(July 28, 2015 at 10:18 pm)ktrap Wrote: God (I am not christian so "God of the bible" does not apply for me, I am theist)
My parents (have existed)
My home town (still exists I hope)
Following I have not seen or visited.
Australia
Other Galaxies
Giant Squid
Based on books and maps I presume it exists, but that means I am not relying on my own observation. I am not sure what this proves?
Regarding Man-made Global Warming
I am not sure what you mean that this exist?
Are you trying to say if there were no humans at all, there would be no global-warming?
The following is just as dumb as the flying spaghetti monster.
Alien Life
Sentient Alien Life
UFO encounters (as in spaceships piloted by sentient aliens)
Ghosts
Have you seen any of these? Probably not!! Then what is the probability that alien life exists? Why is Alien life more probable then Sentient Alien Life?
If you really an atheist, you need to apply the same logic regarding the existence of Alien Life as you do regarding the existence of God.
Ummm...you realize that alien life is a WHOOOLE lot more likely than Gaud, don't you? Please tell me you realize this. Hell, even unicorns are more likely than Gaud.
Also, alien life is more probable than sentient alien life because the requirements for complex life forms seem to be much more demanding than those for simple ones.
The reason alien life is more believable than Gaud is that we know with virtually 100% certainty that life exists on at least one planet in the Universe (Earth), which means that life in the Universe is clearly possible. Because of this, it reasonably follows that life could exist on other planets, and considering the size of the Universe, many experts posit that alien life is a statistical inevitability. While we can't say with certainty that it does exist, it would be irrational to claim with certainty that alien life doesn't exist.
Unicorns (horses with horns) are also more plausible than Gaud because horses definitely exist, as do animals with horns. Both of those things are possible, so unicorns are also within the realm of possible phenomenon (even if they do not, in fact, exist).
Gaud, on the other hand, is one of the most improbable claims one could make. For one thing, there is no evidence that any of Man's gods exist anywhere in the Universe. Furthermore, the very concept of Gaud seems to necessarily be impossible because of the qualities gods are said to have, starting with being immaterial and yet still conscious and able to affect the material Universe. That alone is impossible according to every scrap of evidence we have on the matter, but it doesn't stop there.
Most of the theists I've encountered also insist that Gaud is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and omni-benevolent. The simple and plain fact is that no Gaud who created our universe could possibly have all those qualities. Gaud is an inherently contradictory concept. If I really have to I'll explain why in more detail, but if I do it will have to wait til tomorrow. It's getting late here.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 28, 2015 at 11:15 pm
(July 28, 2015 at 10:18 pm)ktrap Wrote: If you really an atheist, you need to apply the same logic regarding the existence of Alien Life as you do regarding the existence of God.
I do. Neither exist. Your move.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 28, 2015 at 11:32 pm
(July 28, 2015 at 10:18 pm)ktrap Wrote: If you really an atheist, you need to apply the same logic regarding the existence of Alien Life as you do regarding the existence of God.
Wow. You really thinks so? Alien life can be imagined to be on par with ourselves, a little more advanced or a little less. Whatever.
But the existence of other creatures on other planets on a par with ourselves and the other creatures we know of here? How could that not be more likely than an all-omni-mega-galactic-creator being, no evidence for which has ever been encountered?
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm
I'm 100% sure God exists, no doubts at all, the NT teaches that we can know God, I do.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 28, 2015 at 11:57 pm
I think ktrap may be a bit fuzzy on the meaning of logic by his above statements?
That's what happens when a theists pretends to be logical ...They can only fake it?
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 28, 2015 at 11:59 pm
No theist relies upon logic in relation to theological matters. Faith, after all, is illogical.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 12:04 am
Reality doesn't much care about my levels of certainty
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 12:13 am
(July 28, 2015 at 10:18 pm)ktrap Wrote: Why is Alien life more probable then Sentient Alien Life?
For the same reason earth life is more abundant that sentient earth life. Millions of earth life species. One (well, possibly a small handful, but only one for sure) sentient earth life species. Not that hard to figure out.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 12:15 am
(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm 100% sure God exists, no doubts at all, the NT teaches that we can know God, I do.
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My daughter was 100% sure her invisible playmate existed too. She grew up.
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RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
July 29, 2015 at 12:16 am
(July 29, 2015 at 12:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Reality doesn't much care about my levels of certainty
Yep, no matter how certain you are about it's existence, reality still presents zero evidence.
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