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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: You mean like the serpent which God commanded Moses to make and place on a pole so that those who were bitten by real snakes could look at it and not die? That was a sculptured thing...
Or like the angels which spread their wings over the Ark of the Covenant which God commanded the people to make. They were sculptured things...
Does God exist, Kaninchen?
Obviously that particular thinking test was a little too hard so I better explain it all a bit more.
The problem with attempting to determine the nature of our God - not your Sistine Chapel God or God with an ornate heart on his chest and his arms around a lamb - is that any human attempt to describe/define God is a form of idolatry.
What might be the consequence of that, Randy?
Does God exist, Kaninchen?
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: Obviously that particular thinking test was a little too hard so I better explain it all a bit more.
The problem with attempting to determine the nature of our God - not your Sistine Chapel God or God with an ornate heart on his chest and his arms around a lamb - is that any human attempt to describe/define God is a form of idolatry.
What might be the consequence of that, Randy?
Does God exist, Kaninchen?
Why would I answer a question the answer to which would be patently beyond your ability to comprehend?
The gods did not reveal, from the beginning,
All things to us, but in the course of time
Through seeking we may learn and know things better.
These things are, we conjecture, like the truth.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter
The final truth, he would himself not know it:
For all is but a woven web of guesses.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm by Randy Carson.)
(August 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm)abaris Wrote: Oh please, lecture a jew on judaism. Seems there's no bounds.
In Randy's mind (he said it on CAF) he's been shooting fish in a barrel here for weeks.
As you know, kaninchen, that comment was made in the context of a particular thread, wasn't it? The Five Minimal Facts thread to be precise, and I wrote:
Quote:Have you noticed, kaninchen, that for all the bluster, no one has actually attempted to refute the material that I have presented?
And how could they? Habermas and Licona are simply pointing out what is known from NON-biblical sources (Tacitus, Josephus, etc.) and from pure logic (women would not be the most respected witnesses of the resurrection, etc.).
Eventually, we come to the theories explaining the facts, and that's where I really expect to have some fun! (Somewhere, some fish in a barrel should be getting awfully nervous.)
(Source: http://forums.catholic.com/report.php?p=13117810)
And yeah, it was (and still is) like shooting fish in a barrel. No one, you included, has refuted the points in that argument.
You'd think that at some point, someone would actually take a run at it...if for no other reason than to silence me. But no one has, and it's plain enough why...
I've even started The Conspiracy Theory thread to try to encourage some discussion of alternatives to the Christian Resurrection Theory. They have nothing to say. Just a lot of personal attacks and silly memes.
To be fair, atheists have their own arguments which can present a challenge, but the Five Minimal Facts appears to have them flummoxed.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: And yeah, it was (and still is) like shooting fish in a barrel. No one, you included, has refuted the points in that argument.
You'd think that at some point, someone would actually take a run at it...if for no other reason than to silence me. But no one has, and it's plain enough why...
To be fair, atheists have their own arguments which present a challenge, but the Five Minimal Facts has them flummoxed.
How are the car sales going?
The gods did not reveal, from the beginning,
All things to us, but in the course of time
Through seeking we may learn and know things better.
These things are, we conjecture, like the truth.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter
The final truth, he would himself not know it:
For all is but a woven web of guesses.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 5:56 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm)abaris Wrote: Oh please, lecture a jew on judaism. Seems there's no bounds. Even Jews can't agree on judaism or there wouldn't be so many varities.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: And yeah, it was (and still is) like shooting fish in a barrel. No one, you included, has refuted the points in that argument.
You'd think that at some point, someone would actually take a run at it...if for no other reason than to silence me. But no one has, and it's plain enough why...
To be fair, atheists have their own arguments which present a challenge, but the Five Minimal Facts has them flummoxed.
How are the car sales going?
Now, kaninchen, when you joined the forum, I was quick to tell everyone how witty you are.
But now you're relying on old jokes that have been told once too often.
You've had your vacation...it's time to get back to work on some new material.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 6:03 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: How are the car sales going?
Now, kaninchen, when you joined the forum, I was quick to tell everyone how witty you are.
But now you're relying on old jokes that have been told once too often.
You've had your vacation...it's time to get back to work on some new material.
Well, I'm doing my best to conceal the real nature of your sales depravity and for somebody entirely dependent on other people for ideas and materials to criticise anybody else for lack of originality is a bit much even for you!
The gods did not reveal, from the beginning,
All things to us, but in the course of time
Through seeking we may learn and know things better.
These things are, we conjecture, like the truth.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter
The final truth, he would himself not know it:
For all is but a woven web of guesses.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 6:05 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: You mean like the serpent which God commanded Moses to make and place on a pole so that those who were bitten by real snakes could look at it and not die? That was a sculptured thing...
Or like the angels which spread their wings over the Ark of the Covenant which God commanded the people to make. They were sculptured things...
Does God exist, Kaninchen?
Obviously that particular thinking test was a little too hard so I better explain it all a bit more.
The problem with attempting to determine the nature of our God - not your Sistine Chapel God or God with an ornate heart on his chest and his arms around a lamb - is that any human attempt to describe/define God is a form of idolatry.
What might be the consequence of that, Randy? I doubt Randy will understand this. He's an anthropomorphite like most Christians. They just don't get how silly they sound.
(August 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm)abaris Wrote: Oh please, lecture a jew on judaism. Seems there's no bounds.
In Randy's mind (he said it on CAF) he's been shooting fish in a barrel here for weeks. Wow, what a magical world he lives in.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 6:08 pm
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(August 22, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Kaninchen Wrote: (August 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Now, kaninchen, when you joined the forum, I was quick to tell everyone how witty you are.
But now you're relying on old jokes that have been told once too often.
You've had your vacation...it's time to get back to work on some new material.
Well, I'm doing my best to conceal the real nature of your sales depravity and for somebody entirely dependent on other people for ideas and materials to criticise anybody else for lack of originality is a bit much even for you!
So predictable. I almost edited my post for that very reason, but I decided to see if you would take the bait.
So, now you're both predictable and boring.
This is not the Kaninchen of old. What's got you off your game?
And the unanswered, Does God exist, Kaninchen?
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 6:11 pm
(August 22, 2015 at 6:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: So predictable. I almost edited my post for that very reason, but I decided to see if you would take the bait.
So, now you're both predictable and boring.
This is not the Kaninchen of old. What's got you off your game?
Oh, Randy, I'm sorry but you don't get to determine anything at all.
The gods did not reveal, from the beginning,
All things to us, but in the course of time
Through seeking we may learn and know things better.
These things are, we conjecture, like the truth.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter
The final truth, he would himself not know it:
For all is but a woven web of guesses.
Xenophanes
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