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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 12:37 pm
If there is no hell that sucks.. 
i wanted to barbecue with the cool people who didn't get into heaven.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 3:17 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 9:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 12:42 am)Godschild Wrote: It is eternal, Matthew 25:46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. The verses preceding this tell who will be going into eternal punishment." Hell is a place of darkness, no hope, and no escape from that hopelessness, no one can possibly understand what this will be like, so God gave man an explanation he could understand. This is my belief and I can't say I'm correct in this belief, but for me it fits with all God's justice and love. Of coarse there's more to this than my simple explanation. I do not want to derail this thread with what hell is.
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And someone also quote a passage saying it's eternal destruction. Implying that your soul gets destroyed, never to return. Like I said, it's debatable. Depending on who you ask on this site, you'll get different answers. Either way it's just the carrot and stick ploy. Bribery (heaven), or blackmail (hell). All dependent on who you know, not what you do.
I see you have already received the correct interpretation for destruction, and it seems you are agreeing, I appreciate it.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm
I guess I can't argue with it, unless we get into a discussion about how different modern christianity is from ancient christianity. Which I don't really care to right now.
Cessation of existence would make Yahweh look less evil, but wouldn't help convert atheists who think that's going to happen anyway.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 3:26 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I guess I can't argue with it, unless we get into a discussion about how different modern christianity is from ancient christianity. Which I don't really care to right now.
Cessation of existence would make Yahweh look less evil, but wouldn't help convert atheists who think that's going to happen anyway.
If I were convinced that pissing off God would result in my nonexistence, and not pissing off God would result in an eternity singing hymns in heaven, I would be sure to piss off God as best I could.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 3:31 pm
The only difference between heaven and hell, given an eternity of existence, is that in heaven it takes longer before you want to kill yourself.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Ancient christianity - Hell doesn't exist
modern christianity - Hell added to the bible later on as a control mechanism.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm)dyresand Wrote: Ancient christianity - Hell doesn't exist
modern christianity - Hell added to the bible later on as a control mechanism. The question here isn't about the difference between Christianity at it's beginning and Christianity today, but rather a question about the Old and New Testament's reference, or lack there of, to hell. The New Testament scriptures [original manuscripts] have not changed from then to now. Hell has always been a part of the revelation of the New Testament.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 7:33 pm
(August 2, 2015 at 9:54 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: (August 2, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: 1. Of course the fact that Genesis doesn’t say anything about punishment of the soul does not necessarily mean that you can’t add it if it fits your narrative. The bible tells us what happens to the spirit after the body dies
And what does God then do with the spirit?
And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)
Then with whom am I having this conversation??? 
Only Adam could potentially go to hell for Adam's sin. Scripturally it would appear that Adam was covered by the blood of Christ and did not go to hell. Therefore, no one is going to hell for Adam's sin.
I repeat the previous question, is your argument then that because the word's "Abraham's Bosom" don't appear in the OT hell doesn't exist?
It wasn't meant to. You wrote that:
You wrote "nowhere else," as in no place in the Bible, do we see anyone going to hell for what they did or did not believe. Yet 2 Thessalonians 1:7 states "when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power."
1 Corinthians 15:1:-4 "Moreover brethren I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."
You didn't address Revelation 20:11-15:
"And I saw a great white throne and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead small and great, stand before God and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Jesus will be sitting on a great white throne. Books are opened of two categories, one the book of life, and two the books that are an account of the works of each man. At the great white throne judgment, there exist only people being judged by their works.
And what do we learn about people seeking to be judged by their works? Galatians 3:10-11 says:
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith."
The logical conclusion here is that no one's [who seeks to be justified by works and is therefore at the great white throne judgment] name will be found in the book of life. 2 Thess. is about knowledge and obedience. People in the Old Testament had knowledge of god. What does it mean to obey the gospel of Christ? this is open for interpretation so of course you will interpret it in a way that supports your narrative. Because it falls short of saying believing that Jesus is god as the Church teaches it serves only as something you can interpret to support your claims, not as proof of those claims.
You still have not shown that the idea of hell is anything but an construct of apocalyptic Judaism. Superimposing your interpretation of New Testament scriptures onto Old Testament scriptures where they don't exist is not going to do it.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 3, 2015 at 10:33 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm)dyresand Wrote: Ancient christianity - Hell doesn't exist
modern christianity - Hell added to the bible later on as a control mechanism. The question here isn't about the difference between Christianity at it's beginning and Christianity today, but rather a question about the Old and New Testament's reference, or lack there of, to hell. The New Testament scriptures [original manuscripts] have not changed from then to now. Hell has always been a part of the revelation of the New Testament.
On a technicality not apart of the original bible it was a later addition along with good ol' god boy.
Hell in the bible is a hoax and here is why. There is other religions even Egypt has something like a hell I.E. lake of fire.
There is tons of religions with a place like hell. Angels not apart of christianity well not human angels anyways
more like flaming shapes with eyeballs something that is so unpleasant you would want to break out the 12 gauge.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
August 4, 2015 at 3:17 am
(August 3, 2015 at 11:32 am)orangebox21 Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 9:56 am)vorlon13 Wrote: "Eternal destruction"
Huh ?
How would one eternally destroy the Empire state Building, to pose an example ??
Eternal destruction implies eternal existence.
Or is this another one of those 'mystery of faith' or 'BECAUSE JESUS !!!!' things ??? Eternal
Destruction
(August 3, 2015 at 9:59 am)Chad32 Wrote: You eternally destroy something by destroying it completely, and ensuring it never comes back into existence. (August 3, 2015 at 10:03 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Oh, you don't spend eternity destroying it ?? (August 3, 2015 at 10:14 am)Chad32 Wrote: This is why I said it's still debatable. We have different interpretations of what "eternally destroyed" means. The definition of ὄλεθρος (olethros) does not imply extinction. The Greek word for extinction is αφανισμός or εξαφάνιση (here) and is not used in 1 Thessalonians 1:9.
Debates arise over texts for a variety of reasons. In this specific case the debate is a result of not understanding the definition of the word as written in the inspired text (the Greek). The Greek words used to not allow for an interpretation of extinction or annihilation. Did you realize that your Greek is written in the modern Greek alphabet so your fairy tale was written after the 15th Century?
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