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People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
#51
RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
(August 4, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Cato Wrote:
(August 4, 2015 at 9:54 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Your hermeneutic is incorrect.  Some things [though hell not being one of them] were not revealed to us until later times (Hebrews 1:1-2/Ephesians 1:9/Romans 16:25/Ephesians 3:6/etc.).

I find it amusing that in an effort to refute my point you cannot point to any particular story or theme in the OT. Instead, you frolic in the typical Christian game of OT hopscotch trying to patch together anything that speaks of some vague place after death or some form of fire in an effort to bolster what is clearly a later Christian fabrication.

Some doctrine's are arrived at explicitly and some are arrived at systematically (what you call hopscotch).  A rejection of a doctrine arrived at systematically is to reject the system by which it was derived.  What is your critique of the systematic approach?
(August 4, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Cato Wrote: The heaven and hell concept simply doesn't exist in the OT. You don't have to take my word for it, just go talk to a rabbi. Heaven and hell is simply Christian bullshit and your Jesus is a snake oil salesman.
The previous post provided a list, although not comprehensive, of OT scriptures that include the Hebrew word that is translated as hell.  Therefore the concept exists (Psalm 139:8 literally speaks of both heaven and hell in a contrasting manner).  And throughout the list, God's anger, wrath, destruction, and fire is associated within the context of the word, thus establishing a theme.  A theme that is further developed, using similar language, in NT scriptures (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10Revelation 20:11-15/Luke 16:19-31/Revelation 14:9-11/Matthew 3:12/Luke 3:17 Matthew 13:30 explained in 13:41-42).

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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#52
RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
(August 4, 2015 at 4:19 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Some doctrine's are arrived at explicitly and some are arrived at systematically (what you call hopscotch).  A rejection of a doctrine arrived at systematically is to reject the system by which it was derived.  What is your critique of the systematic approach?

I reasonably reject it. It's no different than taking War and Peace, extracting sentences from unrelated paragraphs in different chapters and then cobbling them together to create justification for a wholesale new idea all the while asserting with authority that Tolstoy was the author of the new creation. It's rather silly.
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#53
RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
(August 4, 2015 at 12:23 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:

Quote:Why wouldn't they.  Islam claims that the Qur'an is the final revelation of the same God.
Imagine a scenario in which all believers and all of their artifacts are totally eliminated.  There's no remnants of their holy books on the entire planet.  Which group's favorite deity would be the first one to restore them to the planet?  

My money is on the Venezulean gangster gods.
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RE: People Don't Go to Hell in the Bible
(August 4, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Cato Wrote:
(August 4, 2015 at 4:19 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Some doctrine's are arrived at explicitly and some are arrived at systematically (what you call hopscotch).  A rejection of a doctrine arrived at systematically is to reject the system by which it was derived.  What is your critique of the systematic approach?

I reasonably reject it. It's no different than taking War and Peace, extracting sentences from unrelated paragraphs in different chapters and then cobbling them together to create justification for a wholesale new idea all the while asserting with authority that Tolstoy was the author of the new creation. It's rather silly.
Please define "unrelated paragraphs." Specifically, show how passages that contain the same concept can be defined as unrelated.
Please define "wholesale new idea." Specifically, given that the word, and thus the idea, sheol appears earlier to Christianity, how can it be considered new to Christianity?

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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