Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?

[Faith No More]

Absolutely! I am giving the exact same attention I would want if I were/when I was lost. Even if it meant to shake me up a little bit to help me see the pride standing between me and God.

Only a sociopath would think that love leads to derision and ridicule, and this...

Love is not the hippy feel good about yourself and everything everyone else feels crap that is destroying this nation, Love is to do whatever it takes as long as it takes to effect real change.

...is precisely what love is not.

I know that on planet Drich things work differently(and words have different meanings), but the rest of us are waiting in reality should you choose to return.

[Drich]

So if God naturally instills us with our morality:

1- Why do our parents need to teach us about it?

to change us from where God wants us to be to align ourselves where the culture would have us be.

Why do our parents need to teach us God's laws? Because when we are young we can't read what God wrote on our hearts yet.

2- Why do we need to read it from his book?

for the same reason killing unborn babies and having a same sex partner is ok, now and 60 years ago it was not. We tend to justify in the culture whatever we want as a group, and it becomes the new normal.

That is the oppsite of what a true standard is.

3- Why does his book disagree with what we are told he has instilled in us?

See answer 1a and answer 2

4- Why are some people sociopaths? God missed them out? You can't borrow Karma from Buddhism, sorry.

Not all are called. Meaning not everyone here belongs to God. The vast majority of Jesus' Parables support this. Most of what He taught was about seperating God's people from The devil's own.

5- Why has everyone been instilled with different ideas about morality? Not even Christians can agree.

At best, this all seems to be a metaphor for the way we learn and are born with certain moral traits. If God did this, he screwed it up really badly.

asked and answered already

[Drich]

Absolutely! I am giving the exact same attention I would want if I were/when I was lost. Even if it meant to shake me up a little bit to help me see the pride standing between me and God.

Only a sociopath would think that love leads to derision and ridicule, and this...

Love is not the hippy feel good about yourself and everything everyone else feels crap that is destroying this nation, Love is to do whatever it takes as long as it takes to effect real change.

...is precisely what love is not.

I know that on planet Drich things work differently(and words have different meanings), but the rest of us are waiting in reality should you choose to return.

You idea of love is so corrupt you don't even know what it means any more. Love is among many other things long suffering. Meaning do what ever it takes as long as it takes. Ever helped anyone through rehab? Tell me how there is absolutely no love needed to bring you and your loved one through such an ordeal when long suffering is not apart of that equasion.

[Faith No More]

You idea of love is so corrupt you don't even know what it means any more. Love is among many other things long suffering. Meaning do what ever it takes as long as it takes. Ever helped anyone through rehab? Tell me how there is absolutely no love needed to bring you and your loved one through such an ordeal when long suffering is not apart of that equasion.

Exactly how you could make such a definitive statement regarding my understanding of love, I have no idea. Regardless, you're straying away from my initial point that you claim atonement is only offered if you love your neighbor as you love yourself, but you still prance around here like a raging asshole so quick to ridicule and demean anyone that doesn't see it your way with obnoxious ROFL smileys and smug insults. Loving someone is about having patience with them if they don't see things the way they are and guiding them in a kind manner to the truth so they will be more apt to accept it, not sticking your finger in their nose and laughing at them for not seeing the truth like you do.

It just boggles my mind just how much of a living, breathing contradiction you are, but you seem to have no problem with it. Perhaps you're not even aware of it. I don't know...

[Rhondazvous]

It is atonement that makes us worthy before God, but at the same time if we do not Love God with all of our being and our neighbor as our self atonement is not offered.

Is that what you've been doing here?  Loving your neighbor as you love yourself?

It seems to me that if you truly believed that, you would be forced to believe that your own atonement is still out of reach.

Remember, Drippy thinks we're all slaves, including himself. You have to be something of a masochist to want to be a slave. If he loves us the way he loves himself, that doesn't bod well for us.

[abaris]

for the same reason killing unborn babies and having a same sex partner is ok, now and 60 years ago it was not. We tend to justify in the culture whatever we want as a group, and it becomes the new normal.

Yet the book in question doesn't take a stance on abortion. As I already said yesterday, the fetus was considered water or a limb of it's mother. Apart from the rather frequent passages about killing infants and every woman having known men. If a men suspected one of his wives (can't be stressed enough that there were usually several) cheated on him, he could bring her before a priest, who then forced an abortion with mud potion. So babie's life wasn't as precious as todays christians make it out to be.

Same goes for same sex relationships. Only men are mentioned. For the simple reason that women were property.

So tell me again about the wisdom of that old book and why our morality is ultimately wanting compared to that archaic nonsense.

[Faith No More]

Remember, Drippy thinks we're all slaves, including himself. You have to be something of a masochist to want to be a slave. If he loves us the way he loves himself, that doesn't bod well for us.

Oh, I know all about Drich, but sometimes my curiosity gets the best of me and I try to peel back a few layers of the jumbled mess of enigmatic irrationality he calls a mind to try to look inside.

I really should know better by now.

[Rhondazvous]

People reject the Abrahamic deity because there is no evidence such a being exists and theists’ efforts to prove otherwise have not been compelling.

 
By what standard?

Why then is it considered a virtue to psych one’s self out and just believe in things one knows are not true? How is that good?  Why is it a moral failing to stand on one’s intellectual integrity?

Intellectual integrity as you have put it is limited in scope.  There are things we can know, things we might know, things we can know in the future, and things we will never know.  This premise isn't limited to the realm of religious faith.

Ascribing virtue or vice to one’s status as a believer makes as much sense as saying men who eat bananas are good in bed. Let’s look at the proof. Statistics show that men who are good in bed have at some point eaten at least one banana in their lives. So hands down, the proof is irrefutable. And when you consider the phallic shape of bananas, that’s even more proof.

I’m not trying to be funny. Just making a point about the ridiculous assumption that nonbelievers are essentially bad and believers are essentially good. Tell some people you’re an atheist and they automatically assume they know all about you and what you will do.

This is absurd.

It depends upon your definition of good.  Jesus said God alone is good.  If that is true then neither a believer nor an unbeliever is good.  The difference being that believers [having God living within them] can be good, yet it is not them which are good but Christ living within them.  If your defining good as 'gives money to charity' then yes some unbelievers are good while some believers are not.  Yet if a person gives money to charity but does so in order to get a tax break and praise from men [in other words out of a selfish motivation] can that be considered morally good?  What is your definition and standard for what is morally good?

With all the terrible things that god does and commands his so-called chosen people to do how can you put him up as the standard of goodness that humans supposedly cannot reach. This would be laughable, accept I know you truly believe this. So it is just sad.

[Whateverist]

People reject the Abrahamic deity because there is no evidence such a being exists and theists’ efforts to prove otherwise have not been compelling.  Why then is it considered a virtue to psych one’s self out and just believe in things one knows are not true? How is that good?  Why is it a moral failing to stand on one’s intellectual integrity?

Probably because we all know from direct experience just how sterile and unpromising the intellect alone truly is. The intellect with real work to do is a thing of beauty. But intellect can try very hard to solve problems it has created itself by virtue of its very nature. Humans have intellect but too often, intellect also has us.

You need faith to know when to turn it off and just be the animal you are. Life is not a problem to be solved. Faith is code for winging it with intellect set on stand by.

[Esquilax]

Same goes for same sex relationships. Only men are mentioned. For the simple reason that women were property.

Here's the thing: Drich is down on homosexuality... which is only mentioned in the old testament. If one were to point out some terrible thing in the old testament, Drich has a long standing habit of dismissing the entire text as ancient Jewish law, and not something that christians need to obey or care about. Homosexuality is not mentioned by Jesus at all.

So, the old testament doesn't count and shouldn't be applied to christians... except for those passages that are convenient for Drich's own bigotry. You're not dealing with someone who actually cares what his holy book says; you're dealing with someone who cares only about his own illusory superiority and how he can lord it over others by clobbering them with whatever passage of his holy book "counts" today.