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DEBUNKING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY

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DEBUNKING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY
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August 18, 2015 at 4:16 am (This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 4:24 am by Randy Carson.)
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August 18, 2015 at 4:20 am
(August 17, 2015 at 8:04 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Yeah... Why didn't black people simply choose "black" universities, restaurants and drinking fountains, right?

Don't get me wrong...I totally get the civil rights aspect of this. My point was why deal with the hassle when the wedding is supposed to be a time of joy - not one of litigation.
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August 18, 2015 at 4:38 am
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August 18, 2015 at 4:48 am
Right. I wasn't "raised atheist" either, my parents never talked about God or religion with me as far as I can remember. I simply came to my own conclusions.
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August 18, 2015 at 4:57 am
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RE: DEBUNKING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY
August 18, 2015 at 4:59 am
(August 18, 2015 at 4:20 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Don't get me wrong...I totally get the civil rights aspect of this. My point was why deal with the hassle when the wedding is supposed to be a time of joy - not one of litigation.

That's very simple:

1. The issues surrounding gay marriage are unsurprisingly likely to be related to weddings.

2. Someone had to be the first. The sooner a legal precedent is created, after legislation has been amended - the sooner the reactionist nonsense will stop - or at least will be much easier to deal with swiftly. Smart people are aware of that, which is why they get sh*t done. Dumb people - angrily throw their toys out of the play pen and get spanked...

3. Sometimes people need to sacrifice their own happiness, comfort and even safety in order to fight for principles and better outlook for the future. Sounds familiar? Except for christians - that's just a platitude, or at best a reminder of long forgotten history. For people currently discriminated against - it's reality of life.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: DEBUNKING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY
August 18, 2015 at 4:59 am
(August 18, 2015 at 4:57 am)Randy Carson Wrote: I could name a few dozen other atheists who did become Christians...would those examples fail, also?

So name them.
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August 18, 2015 at 5:00 am
No. If you mentioned an atheist never raised religious I wouldn't have a problem with your example, and don't think for a minute that I'm outright denying these people's existence. I'm only taking issue with Flew, because he did not become a christian and was raised religious.

This is all part of my compulsive need to correct misconceptions. If I don't do it, I will lose sleep.
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August 18, 2015 at 5:00 am (This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 5:01 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(August 18, 2015 at 4:57 am)Randy Carson Wrote: I could name a few dozen other atheists who did become Christians...would those examples fail, also?

I could name billions - every christian, who was ever a baby. What's your point? Tongue
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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August 18, 2015 at 5:03 am (This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 5:05 am by Randy Carson.)
(August 18, 2015 at 4:48 am)robvalue Wrote: Right. I wasn't "raised atheist" either, my parents never talked about God or religion with me as far as I can remember. I simply came to my own conclusions.

This is why I actually think you have a better chance at breaking out of this atheist mindset than most forum members, rob.

Your current views are not based upon an emotional rejection of something or someone you've known; your atheism is based upon ignorance, and that is more easily corrected.

You're asking some of the right questions, but you haven't actually decided to follow the evidence wherever it leads, yet...though you probably think that you have. But if you do get to that point, I think you may succeed in getting past your current presuppositions because you don't have the emotional baggage that others here are carrying.

Oh, and you're married and straight, so you don't have issues there to overcome.
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