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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 1:03 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Cephus Wrote: He can't. No religious person can. That's why they're so laughable.
And we're the evil ones, going straight to H, E, double toothpicks.
Uh huh.
Well, they seem to think we are. They have absolutely no evidence for that and we take them as seriously as Christians would take ancient Greeks telling them they're going to the underworld. Suuuuuure we are! 
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 1:05 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 3:22 am)Neimenovic Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The thing is I have done this many times, in various threads.
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Can you LINK to a thread like that?
And why is it such a problem to do it again in this thread anyway?
Jesus fuck, come on guys. This all seems like dodging -_-
That's because it is. Oh, I'm sure he thinks he's done things in other threads, but if we saw those threads, something tells me we'd be very unimpressed with his performance. Even if he has done it, that doesn't mean he's done it well.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 2:03 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Cephus Wrote: (August 16, 2015 at 3:22 am)Neimenovic Wrote: ._.
Can you LINK to a thread like that?
And why is it such a problem to do it again in this thread anyway?
Jesus fuck, come on guys. This all seems like dodging -_-
That's because it is. Oh, I'm sure he thinks he's done things in other threads, but if we saw those threads, something tells me we'd be very unimpressed with his performance. Even if he has done it, that doesn't mean he's done it well. Ah yes the old "I've already proved this!" argument. When you go and look they have done no such thing. Generally it's when they have said something then ignored all the objections.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 3:22 am)Neimenovic Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The thing is I have done this many times, in various threads.
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Can you LINK to a thread like that?
And why is it such a problem to do it again in this thread anyway?
Jesus fuck, come on guys. This all seems like dodging -_-
I can do it again sure.
My belief takes the following into consideration:
A connection between God and his creation exists and is known as his "Name" or "face". This is a living connection by which we can call upon God. It's also by which we get to know all beautiful names that belong to Him.
God has the ability to make a writing well beyond the capability of mortals and his creation, and surpass in eloquence and quality.
We have the ability to appreciate the writing to beyond human capability when thoroughly studied just as we can appreciate a writing to beyond our own capacity.
Now so far do you object to any of these?
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm
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(August 16, 2015 at 3:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (August 16, 2015 at 3:22 am)Neimenovic Wrote: ._.
Can you LINK to a thread like that?
And why is it such a problem to do it again in this thread anyway?
Jesus fuck, come on guys. This all seems like dodging -_-
I can do it again sure.
My belief takes the following into consideration:
A connection between God and his creation exists and is known as his "Name" or "face". This is a living connection by which we can call upon God. It's also by which we get to know all beautiful names that belong to Him.
God has the ability to make a writing well beyond the capability of mortals and his creation, and surpass in eloquence and quality.
We have the ability to appreciate the writing to beyond human capability when thoroughly studied just as we can appreciate a writing to beyond our own capacity.
Now so far do you object to any of these?
Yes I do, because I countered your assertion that the Quran must have had an immortal author and argued for the possibility of a human source in principle. Not only did you never successfully counter argue my positions, you never seemed to understand what I was arguing to begin with.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 3:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I can do it again sure.
YAY! Thank you!
Quote:My belief takes the following into consideration:
A connection between God and his creation exists and is known as his "Name" or "face". This is a living connection by which we can call upon God. It's also by which we get to know all beautiful names that belong to Him.
Ok. Could you explain what 'living connection' means? And how does one get to know a face of god? What does that mean in practice?
Are those faces of god his attributes? How then are they a connection?
Quote:God has the ability to make a writing well beyond the capability of mortals and his creation, and surpass in eloquence and quality.
No objections here.
Quote:We have the ability to appreciate the writing to beyond human capability when thoroughly studied just as we can appreciate a writing to beyond our own capacity.
No objections here.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 4:30 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok. Could you explain what 'living connection' means? And how does one get to know a face of god? What does that mean in practice?
Are those faces of god his attributes? How then are they a connection?
I call it a living connection, because it's not simply conceptual, but in a way God's light and his spirit, resides within us, without God being actually in anything rather he is above all things, and above similarity.
The Name/face of God is light with all light, light that unites all light, and God is the light of all light. This light is not simply a lifeless force, but is living knowledge, living connection of his command that is the true nature of existence and his word "be and it is".
The Name/Face of God gives light to all things and guides them towards their destination.
When God created the spirit, he mixed that of the light of eternal (himself) with that of the time (finite light). The mixing is such that he is with us at all times and is found in all stages, and appears to his creation through his name/face/connection.
The light is that speaks of "attributes" of God but in reality, all attributes of God describe single reality and perfect glory/beauty, and God is without diversity but is One.
The thing is this takes "eyes of the heart" and "sight of the soul" to see.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 5:10 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 3:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God has the ability to make a writing well beyond the capability of mortals and his creation, and surpass in eloquence and quality. In English we call him Shakespeare.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 5:10 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 4:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok. Could you explain what 'living connection' means? And how does one get to know a face of god? What does that mean in practice?
Are those faces of god his attributes? How then are they a connection?
I call it a living connection, because it's not simply conceptual, but in a way God's light and his spirit, resides within us, without God being actually in anything rather he is above all things, and above similarity.
The Name/face of God is light with all light, light that unites all light, and God is the light of all light. This light is not simply a lifeless force, but is living knowledge, living connection of his command that is the true nature of existence and his word "be and it is".
The Name/Face of God gives light to all things and guides them towards their destination.
When God created the spirit, he mixed that of the light of eternal (himself) with that of the time (finite light). The mixing is such that he is with us at all times and is found in all stages, and appears to his creation through his name/face/connection.
The light is that speaks of "attributes" of God but in reality, all attributes of God describe single reality and perfect glory/beauty, and God is without diversity but is One.
The thing is this takes "eyes of the heart" and "sight of the soul" to see.
I don't understand a word of that, but ok. Please go on.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 5:27 pm
(August 16, 2015 at 4:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok. Could you explain what 'living connection' means? And how does one get to know a face of god? What does that mean in practice?
Are those faces of god his attributes? How then are they a connection?
I call it a living connection, because it's not simply conceptual, but in a way God's light and his spirit, resides within us, without God being actually in anything rather he is above all things, and above similarity.
The Name/face of God is light with all light, light that unites all light, and God is the light of all light. This light is not simply a lifeless force, but is living knowledge, living connection of his command that is the true nature of existence and his word "be and it is".
The Name/Face of God gives light to all things and guides them towards their destination.
When God created the spirit, he mixed that of the light of eternal (himself) with that of the time (finite light). The mixing is such that he is with us at all times and is found in all stages, and appears to his creation through his name/face/connection.
The light is that speaks of "attributes" of God but in reality, all attributes of God describe single reality and perfect glory/beauty, and God is without diversity but is One.
The thing is this takes "eyes of the heart" and "sight of the soul" to see.
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"Eyes of the heart", "sight of the soul"... I've heard these words too many times from people trying to sell me their spiritual bullshit. If what you believe is true, then you *should* be able to demonstrate it to me.
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