What's the future of Catholic Church and Satan?

[professor]

So if you move to some other country, or your parents did, your ethnic heritage is instantly erased?
So the pope, because he came from Argentina, can write off his Italian bloodline. Brilliant!
Another prophecy shot down by pure logic.

[Longhorn]

I never said that. I said he isn't Italian, which is true. He doesn't have Italian citizenship afaik

[Minimalist]

So if you move to some other country, or your parents did, your ethnic heritage is instantly erased?
So the pope, because he came from Argentina, can write off his Italian bloodline.  Brilliant!
Another prophecy shot down by pure logic.

My grandparents came from Italy.  I am an American.  I've been to Italy exactly once.

It was a foreign country, numbnutz.

[Randy Carson]

Hi Alex, I'm doing fine, and check in here to see if there is anything to kick in my 2 cents about.
Randy, there is a very old prophecy from a bishop named Malachy which gave a fingernail description of 112 future popes.
There is considerable debate especially from the hierarchy of the Vatican about it, for obvious reasons.

I had a feeling you were going to cite the fraudulent "prophecies of Malachy". You are aware of the fact that St. Malachy did not actually write them, correct? And that Catholics don't take this "Catholic" prophecy seriously? Here's a bit of history and analysis explaining why:

Is Pope Francis the Final Roman Pontiff?
Tim Staples
http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples...an-pontiff

How Reliable Is the St. Malachy Prophecy?
by Jimmy Akin
http://jimmyakin.com/2013/02/how-reliabl...phecy.html

Here is the one for Francis (source Wikipedia)- (number 112)-
 In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
   Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people.

The Dreadful Judge is none other than the Lord Jesus, who comes this time as the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

As you probably know, Francis is Italian, and the first Jesuit pope (the gestapo arm of the Vatican).

Well, it's nice to hear that Pope Francis will continue "feeding" and "tending" the sheep just as Jesus instructed his predecessor, Peter, to do (cf Jn 21:15-19). Perhaps the fact that Jesus re-established the perpetual office of Royal Steward (cf. Is. 22:20, Mt. 16:18) has something to do with this!

More than one prophet has had revelation that he is IT.
I think there is a book out called "Petros Romano", by Tom Horn and another guy, you might want to read it.

Not so much. Regarding this book, Tim Staples noted:

Have you heard? Tom Horn and Cris Putnam have written the book of books demonstrating Pope Francis to be the last pope. Yes, folks, the end of the world is upon us. The book is called Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope is Here, published in 2012. This is not to be confused with their sequel, Exo-Vaticanus, published in 2013, which exposes a secret plan of the Vatican to usher in the arrival of a savior who is actually an alien a la E.T. [Source.]

In the book of revelation, the first beast is the Antichrist-the political evil leader.
Obama is that one and he came first onto the scene.
Subsequent to that, this last pope (the second beast of Revelation- the spiritual false prophet) came forth after the hasty retirement of his predecessor (who, I have heard- if he leaves the city state of the Vatican- will be arrested on child abuse involvement).

Here is a photo of Benedict XVI at a gathering of friends at Castel Gandolfo outside the walls of the Vatican earlier this year:



Speaking of Pope Benedict, the "Prophecy of Malachy" describes him as “rustic animal”—in Latin, animal rurale. Tim Staples points out:

This means something akin to what southerners might call a "country boy." But Benedict XIV was anything but a country boy. He was a brilliant scholar educated in Rome at the Collegium Clementium, which he entered at the age of 13! He was well-known for his learning in science as well as theology, philosophy, and canon law. He was also an exceptional administrator and a man of many talents, respected within and without the Church. He was anything but animal rurale! Proponents of the prophecies attempt to say this could refer to his "plodding determination" like an ox in a field. Can anyone say "Weak?"

See the article listed above for more examples of Malachy's "prophecies" that just don't actually work.

The book of Revelation describes the wiping out of the abode of the Prostitute- the Basilica, which is named after the Basilisk- the mythical serpent that is able kill with it's breath.
(Interesting that it is shaped like a keyhole, at the same time that the key to the abyss is being attempted to be opened (CERN).

You are also aware that Jerusalem lies on seven hills, right?

[Randy Carson]

from what i remember of history the catholic church came about after  the fall of the roman empire.  

In the West, xtianity was legitimized early in the 4th century and was made the official state religion later in the 4th century. 

Not exactly.

The Edict of Milan in AD 325 "legalized" Christianity in the sense that Christianity would be tolerated from that date forward (as Min rightly notes - but does not himself practice ).

However, the Catholic Church itself actually dates back to the apostles.

The early Church - the Church founded by Christ as promised in Matthew 16:18 - was that which was originally known as “the Way” (cf. Acts 24:14). Later, those individuals who followed Christ began to be called “Christians” beginning at Antioch (cf. Acts 11:26). As early as 107 A.D., those same individuals referred to themselves collectively as the “Catholic Church”. In a letter to the Church of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch wrote:

"You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery (priest) as you would the Apostles. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, A.D. 107, [8,1])

Notice that Ignatius does not take pains to introduce the term "Catholic Church"; instead he uses it in a manner suggesting that the name was already in use and familiar to his audience. This further suggests that the name, Catholic Church, had to have been coined much earlier in order to have achieved wide circulation by the time of this writing. In other words, the Christian assembly was calling itself the Catholic Church during the lifetime of the last Apostle, John, who died near the end of the first century. John, the beloved disciple, may have thought of himself as a member of the Catholic Church!

The Catholic Church began with Peter and the Apostles and continued without interruption or cessation through their disciples (Ignatius, Irenaeus, Polycarp, Clement, Justin Martyr, etc.) down to the present day. As a side note, it appears that the believers in Antioch may have coined both terms still in use today: “Christian” and “Catholic Church” – terms they used to describe the one body of believers in Christ.

[abaris]

Notice that Ignatius does not take pains to introduce the term "Catholic Church"; instead he uses it in a manner suggesting that the name was already in use and familiar to his audience.

Might that be because catholicus or katholikos were actual words - simply meaning the whole? And I simply love the way you brush over the at least dozens of different branches of christianity back then. Branches like Arianism, so influencal with certain peoples that they had the power to seriously threaten what you understand to be the Catholic church. Combined with not looking at the archeological and historical evidence on pre Constantinian christianity, it makes your wilful ignorance even more obvious.

[Randy Carson]

Notice that Ignatius does not take pains to introduce the term "Catholic Church"; instead he uses it in a manner suggesting that the name was already in use and familiar to his audience.

Might that be because catholicus or katholikos were actual words - simply meaning the whole? And I simply love the way you brush over the at least dozens of different branches of christianity back then. Branches like Arianism, so influencal with certain peoples that they had the power to seriously threaten what you understand to be the Catholic church. Combined with not looking at the archeological and historical evidence on pre Constantinian christianity, it makes your wilful ignorance even more obvious.

J.N.D. Kelly (Protestant)

"As regards ‘Catholic,' its original meaning was ‘universal' or ‘general' ... As applied to the Church, its primary significance was to underline its universality as opposed to the local character of the individual congregations. Very quickly, however, in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations. . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church" (J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, 5th ed. [San Francisco: Harper, 1978], 190f).

[robvalue]

If the pope was born in a Muslim country, he'd more than likely be a Muslim instead.

[Randy Carson]

If the pope was born in a Muslim country, he'd more than likely be a Muslim instead.

In which case he probably wouldn't have been elected pope.

[Longhorn]

Yeah. So much for his appointed spokesman....