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RE: A reason to believe?
April 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm
(April 29, 2010 at 6:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm)Ace Wrote: Already have that. You don't need to have a belief in god to appreciate life. Or have a greater appreciation of it. How would you know??
Because as an atheist, I already appreciate life and all it's wonders, I have alot of appreciation for it. Why do you think belief in a god allows you to appreciate life more?
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Because a belief in God intrinsically embraces positivity whereas a purely naturalist worldview would be balanced with no bias.
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2010 at 7:32 pm by Ace Otana.)
(April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because a belief in God intrinsically embraces positivity whereas a purely naturalist worldview would be balanced with no bias.
Bullshit. Bollocks on a huge scale 
You don't know how others feel or how exactly they view the world. You assume people who believe in god tend to be more positive. But there is nothing to back that up.
I seriously doubt that believing in god makes you more...positive or appreciative of life than someone who doesn't believe in god.
It's about how you view the world and live your life and not what belief system your part of.
Gonna need a far better reason to believe in god.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 29, 2010 at 8:17 pm
wishful thinking.
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 29, 2010 at 11:52 pm
(April 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm)Ace Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 6:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm)Ace Wrote: Already have that. You don't need to have a belief in god to appreciate life. Or have a greater appreciation of it. How would you know??
Because as an atheist, I already appreciate life and all it's wonders, I have alot of appreciation for it. Why do you think belief in a god allows you to appreciate life more?
Belief in a god would not cause one to appreciate life more. A personal relationship with the God who created all life will give you a greater understanding of life and thus a greater appreciation of life.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 30, 2010 at 12:14 am
(April 29, 2010 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm)Ace Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 6:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm)Ace Wrote: Already have that. You don't need to have a belief in god to appreciate life. Or have a greater appreciation of it. How would you know??
Because as an atheist, I already appreciate life and all it's wonders, I have alot of appreciation for it. Why do you think belief in a god allows you to appreciate life more?
Belief in a god would not cause one to appreciate life more. A personal relationship with the God who created all life will give you a greater understanding of life and thus a greater appreciation of life.
Prove this relationship of yours isn't imaginary or go sit in the corner with all the other wackos.
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 30, 2010 at 3:05 am
(April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because a belief in God intrinsically embraces positivity whereas a purely naturalist worldview would be balanced with no bias.
Epic FAIL
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 30, 2010 at 3:16 am
(April 29, 2010 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: Belief in a god would not cause one to appreciate life more. A personal relationship with the God who created all life will give you a greater understanding of life and thus a greater appreciation of life.
Greater understanding? You got to be fucking kidding me. Since when did religion become the knowledge bringer? How the fuck does a belief or as you say "personal relationship" in an imaginary friend boost my understanding of the world?
Last time I checked religion has never ever given any details into anything. It doesn't teach how things work, it tells you what to believe. It doesn't give knowledge but instead baseless claims.
Goddidit leaves you at only one place, nothing. No knowledge gained, there is no greater understanding in any of it.
So no.
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 30, 2010 at 4:22 am
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(April 30, 2010 at 3:05 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because a belief in God intrinsically embraces positivity whereas a purely naturalist worldview would be balanced with no bias.
Epic FAIL You're a fucking idiot ...I've concluded 
(April 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm)Ace Wrote: (April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because a belief in God intrinsically embraces positivity whereas a purely naturalist worldview would be balanced with no bias.
Bullshit. Bollocks on a huge scale
You don't know how others feel or how exactly they view the world. You assume people who believe in god tend to be more positive. But there is nothing to back that up.
I seriously doubt that believing in god makes you more...positive or appreciative of life than someone who doesn't believe in god.
It's about how you view the world and live your life and not what belief system your part of.
Gonna need a far better reason to believe in god. Try addressing the point.
We're not talking about individual accomplishment... we're talking about reason to believe.
You seriously doubt it, but you don't know. And you refuse to accept that having a positive basis produces a different effect to no basis?? If you're going to deny reason to that extreme I guess there's no changing your mind.
It's about your outlook on life.
Let me guess that you as an atheist think you're being realistic in accepting what nature throws at you... both good and bad. Shit happens right? Logically you reason cause and effect.
Christianity divides positive and negative, embracing positivity. Shit still happens. Realism is still invoked. Logical reasoning is effected to positive result.
Can you see how it's different?
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RE: A reason to believe?
April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am
(This post was last modified: April 30, 2010 at 6:00 am by Atheist_named_Christian.)
(April 30, 2010 at 4:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Christianity divides positive and negative, embracing positivity. Shit still happens. Realism is still invoked. Logical reasoning is effected to positive result.
Christianity divides positive and negative on an arbitrary basis established by people I wouldn't want to meet alone in a dark alley. There are several problems:
1. There is no "right" or "wrong" - moral absolutism is one of the worst things about christianity (and most other religions, too). It leads to intolerance and arrogance based on values one is not allowed to even think about. It is not a given that your or my set of ethical values is the best (whatever that should mean) - it is important to question these values.
2. Realism is not involved at all. If this was the case, religion wouldn't need a divine being that punishes those who disobey.
3. Logic and religion are completely incommensurate, as religion builds on faith that is founded purely irrationally.
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